Innerline:
You said. "The integral world shows green naivete about how things work in the real world , not as a assumed process and theory, in the LR and the shadow culture in the LL."
Thank you for saying that. I am frequently blown away by the touchiness and naivete of the Integral community. It is filled with really good people who have really good intentions and they care about humanity and I would trust them with my children. That said: many don't seem to want to talk about the real world outside and inside and how that real world works.
They are willing to reference it or even demonstrate it in a performative act, but they are not willing or able to specifically denote it and show the injunction for getting the knowledge of it.
Example: I have been critical of Obama and the Phenomenon. Some may think I am a big Republican with a truck. Personally, I don't give a shit about McCain. I am definitely not a Republican. (OK, I have a truck...) I know he is less developed than Obama on almost every line except maybe moral courage.
What I keep trying to say is that the America I am looking at is is a very different place than the one I hear described in Integral.
And I have asked "what is one specific thing that Obama will do that is of any difference?" And I am still waiting...
Fairy Faye made reference to amber fundamentalism and how you might ask it to "speak without referencing the Bible." OK. No problem. You will get 3 hours of amber perspective without a single reference to the Bible. Congratulations.
These people are out there! They are alive. And they don't have the slightest clue about Integral or what it could possibly mean. This is our world.
I would like to see the Integral community become more focused on:
* identifying issues related to the application of Integral;
* specifically setting out injunctions on methodologies to gain knowledge and perception of Truths, Goodness, and Beauty.
Words are powerful tools if you really try to use them to convey what it is you want to convey. They can also be hidden behind as a smokescreen for laziness or lack of clarity or insincerity.