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Global Warming.....A slight return

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  •  10-14-2006, 5:52 AM 11084

    Global Warming.....A slight return



    Cosmic Rays The Biggest Culprit In Global Warming

    Global warming will not be reduced much by efforts to limit carbon dioxide emission into the atmosphere, say two scientists.

    Dr. Nir Shaviv, an astrophysicist from the Racah Institute of Physics of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and Prof. Jan Veiser a geochemist at the University of Ottawa in Canada, say that temperature variations are due more to cosmic forces than to the actions of man.

    In a recent article published in GSA Today, the journal of the Geographic Society of America, Shaviv and Veiser tell of their studies illustrating a correlation between past cosmic ray flux - the high-energy particles reaching us from stellar explosions - and long-term climate variability, as recorded by oxygen isotopes trapped in rocks formed by ancient marine fossils. The level of cosmic ray activity reaching the earth and its atmosphere was reconstructed using another isotopic record in meteorites.

    The study showed that peak periods of cosmic rays reaching the earth over the past 550 million years coincided with lower global temperatures, apparently due to the way that the cosmic rays promote low-level cloud formation, hence blocking out the sun. No correlation was obtained, however, with the changing amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

    The conclusion of the two scientists is that celestial processes seem to be the dominant influence on climate change, and that increased carbon dioxide release, while certainly not beneficial, is only secondary to those forces which are beyond our control.

    In practical terms, says Dr. Shaviv, "The operative significance of our research is that a significant reduction of the release of greenhouse gases will not significantly lower the global temperature, since only about a third of the warming over the past century should be attributed to man." Thus, say the scientists, the Kyoto accord of 1997 - which was aimed at tackling the global warming phenomenon through limitations on carbon dioxide - is not the panacea some thought it would be.

    Taking the long-range view, Dr. Shaviv and Prof. Veiser believe that fluctuations in cosmic ray emissions account for about 75 percent of climate variation throughout the millennia. They acknowledge that this position pits them against prevailing scientific opinion, which still places a heavy emphasis on the negative role of greenhouse gases.
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  •  10-14-2006, 10:32 AM 11094 in reply to 11084

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  •  10-14-2006, 8:02 PM 11175 in reply to 11094

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    Ahh. The global warming monkey. <---Psst! He did it.
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  •  10-16-2006, 9:54 AM 11292 in reply to 11084

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    Of course, if confirmed this would also support increasing our efforts to combat secondary "non-beneficial" greenhouse emissions also........probably even more dramatically than what is currently being proposed by environmentalists........since this is something we CAN control.........

    Unless they are offering some ways to combat increased cosmic ray episodes, which by themselves might fry us in the future......but even more quickly, if combined with high levels of man-made GHG's.............


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  •  10-16-2006, 11:27 AM 11308 in reply to 11292

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    I don't know - time will tell.  But even if only a third of global warming is our fault,  it still behooves us to limit it as much as possible.  That one-third could be what tips us into another ice age.  Or not.  Personally I don't feel like gambling.  And really,  since when is one third a small amount?  Just because it is less than half?  That is still huge.  Even 25% is huge.  We should do what we can.

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  •  10-16-2006, 10:40 PM 11390 in reply to 11308

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    Oh, I agree. We should try to live as cleanly as possible.....wind farms, solar energy, etc.

    I thought it was a interesting article. I've always thought global warming was probably more a natural phenomena than soley mankinds fault.

    However, that doesn't give us the excuse to just tear up the land and natural resources under the guise that we are not to blame, either.

    So, I agree. We should do what we can.


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  •  03-14-2008, 1:40 AM 41719 in reply to 11390

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