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Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Institute Forums, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:43 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:1853inmanagingeditor0

Hi friends,


With Integral Institute now gone live, and its various forums starting to rapidly build their communities, I thought I would share with you our Road Rules, or general guidelines, for all of our forums (and, indeed, for all of our commons spaces, which are our own Lower-Left quadrants in intersubjective resonance, with a validity claim of rightness or justness, aimed at mutual understanding). These Road Rules are designed not just to regulate traffic, but to call all participants to their own highest awareness.


Most forums anywhere in cyberspace are a type of sharing commons. People simply get on, post various material, share it with each other, and boogie on down the road. But I-I has guidelines that invite people to act and speak from their own Highest Self, however they understand that. These guidelines are simple, easy to understand, and remarkably effective. Moreover, they do not impose anybody’s idea of “higher” on you. The main guidelines are all variations on, Let the next words out of your mouth (and into this forum) be from your Highest Self as you understand it.


That guideline, along with a few others, make the forums at I-I unique, in that they subtly, slowly, but profoundly help one not just translate, but transform, to one’s own higher truth and goodness and beauty. We have provided these forums as a space for just that: a beautiful space in which everybody’s individual higher truths interact to create a greater social good. Of course, we totally invite people to also just play and dance and free associate, to criticize and judge and rank if they wish. Just every now and then, let those activities flow from your deepest well of life and inspiration and your highest source of luminous clarity and delight.


And then guess what? We all grow together. Not according to any fixed stages or levels or models or whatnot, but following the highest resources according to your intuition. I mean, I have proposed plenty of professional psychological models for levels of consciousness, but those are not part of these forums. I personally believe that when people act from their own highest resources as they see them, all those stages will take care of themselves. In any event, those models are categorically not a requirement or a model for these basic Road Rules.


At I-I, we act from I-I, and we grow together in the process. This is the world of I-I squared, where transformation is not an empty promise but a way of life. Come join us! We’re having too much fun…………


Community Basics: Salon/Forum Participation Guidelines


Integral Institute strives to provide a commons space that is integral (which simply means comprehensive, open, inclusive, transparent; and which is also known by many technical names: centaur, turquoise, vision‑logic, second tier and third tier, holarchically ranking, post‑postmodern, and so on). The quality of this integral space (and this integral sanctuary and integral playground) depends on the quality of your participation.


Therefore, like all forums, we have guidelines or Road Rules, and ours are integral. The following guidelines are designed to help make everyone’s experience in this “We-space” a fulfilling one:


1.    Let the very next word out of your mouth (and into this forum) be coming from your Highest Self. If you understand what “integral” means, then let the next words out of your mouth be from your own integral mind or integral awareness. (Turquoise or higher, vision-logic or higher, second- and third-tier, etc.) If you don’t know exactly what integral means, then use “Highest or Higher Self,” “True Self that is no-self,” “Spirit Mind,” “Big Mind,” or whatever you are comfortable with that evokes the highest or deepest or brightest You. Try to think/act/speak integral. This is at the cutting edge of evolution – what is it to think/act/speak integral?


2.    Feel the thinker. Feel your self, feel your ego, feel the self-contraction. That which feels the thinker is beyond the thinker, that which feels the self is beyond the self, that which feels the ego is beyond the ego, that which feels the self-contraction is free of the self-contraction. When you feel the thinker (or ego, etc.), you engage your Higher Self. You take the stance of the Witness, the I that is aware of I, the I-I in you that is beyond you. And the Witness, although itself empty, takes on and speaks integral at any level.
       Therefore, feel your ego, or feel your self-contraction, and then speak and act from the awareness that’s doing the feeling; that sees the ego as an object like any other; that impartial Mirror Mind reflecting and embracing the universe in its brightness and luminous equanimity, the higher perspective that is no special perspective but open to all. Make the subject object whenever you can, and this will help you come from your Highest Self.
       Thus, when you become a member of I-I, begin to engage your I-I: the I-I “out there” is your integral community, and the I-I “in here” is your Highest Self. Welcome to I-I squared.
       But don’t make a big deal out of this. Simply try to feel the thinker or feel the self-contraction every now and then, and sooner or later it will make sense and feel natural to act from a higher level that is not the ego but is aware of the ego.

3.    Those rules help with your Higher Self, however you understand and intuit it. And now, a few rules to help with your lower self (aka, your unconscious, your shadow, the dis‑owned self, the dork self, the self that will sabotage your every move, given a chance).
       Discern your “emotional buttons,” or the things to which you hyper‑react. In many cases, whether or not your judgment is true, a hyper‑emotional recoil often means that shadow elements have been triggered, or as everyday parlance has it, somebody “pushed your buttons.” Simply notice this happening; try to make subject object (which, as we saw, is the fundamental rule of development). In other words, try to make the reactive self (the lower self) an object of awareness. Just see and feel your emotional reaction; you don’t have to do anything else. It’s that simple. Don’t worry whether something spectacular happens or not; that very act has already caused a mico‑transformation and dis‑identification, and repetitions of that simple act will have a profoundly cumulative effect. Of course, you can do more work on it if you choose, but most essentially, they are ways to just further that process.
       You can investigate this more if you want. If someone or some comment gets on your nerves, what are you pushing against? Seek the underlying value in you that is trying to be expressed in your emotional charge. If you’re experiencing strong recoil, resistance, or rage, odds are what you are experiencing is a symptom of your own shadow. If this is so, we recommend doing a little shadow work with your response. Again, don’t make a big deal out of this, but work on it in whatever way you know how. If you want some assistance, try our own 3-2-1 process (which you can find
here), or check out some chapters on the shadow (click here, here, and here to see the PDFs), or get an I-I Mentor to lend you a hand.
       If you don’t want to do shadow work, or don’t have the time for it, not to worry: as we said, simply feel the self that is recoiling and acting negatively. Simply try to make subject object. And then go on about enjoying the forum.

4.    Don’t wait for others to make the experience you’d like; ask explicitly for what you want and take steps yourself to help create it.


5.    Before you offer your wisdom to or about others, remember that your perspective is yours, and just one of many. Can you own your perspective as a limited one? Can you distill out your clear observations from your interpretations and assessments? Are you still curious about other perspectives? Are there any shadow elements in any of your posts in the forum? Before pointing out the negatives in others, we try to clean our own house first. Don’t be afraid to make judgments—we want your opinions and judgments very much!—just try to have the next judgment that comes out of your mouth be a discernment from your Higher Self.


6.    Your participation in any I-I forum indicates that you have read and accepted these general Road Rules, and that you will do your best to live up to them. Like forums elsewhere, I-I reserves the right to refuse community service to anyone for whatever reason. We relish diversity of perspective; we also value basic remembering of the I-Thou We-space. If you’re routinely causing a disturbance, or not living up the Road Rules, you will very probably be asked to leave the forum. If you enter this forum, you are agreeing that you can be removed for any reasons whatsoever judged necessary by I-I, and reasons that do not have to be argued or explained; you are entering this We-space with that understanding and agreement.
       This mutual understanding is a pledge we all make to each other to engage or live up to the highest, deepest, best, brightest, clearest, caring Self that we can. This is our promise to each other, because we are here not merely to share, but to grow. Other forums share; I-I forums help us grow, because the Road Rules actually foster transformation and help us grow, even as we share. We all want to change the world, and I-I actually does it—and you are now a member of that wonderful I-I, and we dearly welcome you. Just remember the single most basic Road Rule: when in I-I, speak from I-I.
       We are here to grow, but also to play, to practice, to hear, to be heard, to dance, to reflect, to contemplate, to receive and to contribute.
       Stir the pot. Have fun. Debate. Put it out there. Reveal Spirit. It always already Is, and It always already is HERE.

--Ken Wilber


POLL: Where do you get most of your news?, 24 Apr 2008 20:47:45 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:48049inmanagingeditor7[Please visit the site to access the poll]

Let's all help each other become better and more-informed world-citizens by sharing our favorite news sources!

Please discuss below....
The Teal Integral Revolution Begins With OBAMA, 04 Jan 2008 05:32:37 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:35579rocco177

Today January 3 2008 a two year U.S. Senator wins the first vote for the job of the presidency of the United States defeating a hard working charasmatic southerner and the one and only "Clinton Machine" who had all they needed except one thing, an INTEGRAL VISION.  Mark my word whether Obama wins or loses today Integral has shown it's face.

Edwards had everything a great story good looks great speaker humble beginnings and amazing talent. At a time when Democrats should go with the safe bet he amongst other very experienced senators and governors could not catch an unknown former state senator and two year US Senator with a controversial muslim sounding name in what the Republicans call the "age of terrorism".

That name is Barack Hussein Obama and it could not stop the effectiveness of the Integral Worldview in getting the job done. When I figured Obama to actually be Integral (which i was cautious about ) I told my friend that he would be around 10xs more efficient than the typical seeker of the presidency and I have been right.

Like Sri Aurobindo said a radical idea will manifest but then get beatin out by the conservative mind for it does not matter because that idea has now arrived in the manifest world and will at one day evolve to be a common belief. WHETHER OBAMA WINS OR LOSES TODAY  MY INTEGRAL FRIENDS WE CAN SMILE AND MINDFULLY BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF THAT WE WILL SOMEDAY BE ABLE TO TELL OUR SIMPLE BUT IMPORTANT STORY TO THOSE WHO ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HEAR WHERE WE WERE, HOW WE THOUGHT, AND WHAT WE PERCIEVED ON THE DAY INTEGRAL ARRIVED ON THE WORLD SCENE.

                                                                                                            Love and Light

Integral New York Times and God, 13 May 2008 19:53:06 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:50498williamebrennan16

this is the number one emailed article today on the NY times.

Op-Ed Columnist

The Neural Buddhists


Published: May 13, 2008

In 1996, Tom Wolfe wrote a brilliant essay called “Sorry, but Your Soul Just Died,” in which he captured the militant materialism of some modern scientists.

To these self-confident researchers, the idea that the spirit might exist apart from the body is just ridiculous. Instead, everything arises from atoms. Genes shape temperament. Brain chemicals shape behavior. Assemblies of neurons create consciousness. Free will is an illusion. Human beings are “hard-wired” to do this or that. Religion is an accident.

In this materialist view, people perceive God’s existence because their brains have evolved to confabulate belief systems. You put a magnetic helmet around their heads and they will begin to think they are having a spiritual epiphany. If they suffer from temporal lobe epilepsy, they will show signs of hyperreligiosity, an overexcitement of the brain tissue that leads sufferers to believe they are conversing with God.

Wolfe understood the central assertion contained in this kind of thinking: Everything is material and “the soul is dead.” He anticipated the way the genetic and neuroscience revolutions would affect public debate. They would kick off another fundamental argument over whether God exists.

Lo and behold, over the past decade, a new group of assertive atheists has done battle with defenders of faith. The two sides have argued about whether it is reasonable to conceive of a soul that survives the death of the body and about whether understanding the brain explains away or merely adds to our appreciation of the entity that created it.

The atheism debate is a textbook example of how a scientific revolution can change public culture. Just as “The Origin of Species reshaped social thinking, just as Einstein’s theory of relativity affected art, so the revolution in neuroscience is having an effect on how people see the world.

And yet my guess is that the atheism debate is going to be a sideshow. The cognitive revolution is not going to end up undermining faith in God, it’s going end up challenging faith in the Bible.

Over the past several years, the momentum has shifted away from hard-core materialism. The brain seems less like a cold machine. It does not operate like a computer. Instead, meaning, belief and consciousness seem to emerge mysteriously from idiosyncratic networks of neural firings. Those squishy things called emotions play a gigantic role in all forms of thinking. Love is vital to brain development.

Researchers now spend a lot of time trying to understand universal moral intuitions. Genes are not merely selfish, it appears. Instead, people seem to have deep instincts for fairness, empathy and attachment.

Scientists have more respect for elevated spiritual states. Andrew Newberg of the University of Pennsylvania has shown that transcendent experiences can actually be identified and measured in the brain (people experience a decrease in activity in the parietal lobe, which orients us in space). The mind seems to have the ability to transcend itself and merge with a larger presence that feels more real.

This new wave of research will not seep into the public realm in the form of militant atheism. Instead it will lead to what you might call neural Buddhism.

If you survey the literature (and I’d recommend books by Newberg, Daniel J. Siegel, Michael S. Gazzaniga, Jonathan Haidt, Antonio Damasio and Marc D. Hauser if you want to get up to speed), you can see that certain beliefs will spread into the wider discussion.

First, the self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships. Second, underneath the patina of different religions, people around the world have common moral intuitions. Third, people are equipped to experience the sacred, to have moments of elevated experience when they transcend boundaries and overflow with love. Fourth, God can best be conceived as the nature one experiences at those moments, the unknowable total of all there is.

In their arguments with Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, the faithful have been defending the existence of God. That was the easy debate. The real challenge is going to come from people who feel the existence of the sacred, but who think that particular religions are just cultural artifacts built on top of universal human traits. It’s going to come from scientists whose beliefs overlap a bit with Buddhism.

In unexpected ways, science and mysticism are joining hands and reinforcing each other. That’s bound to lead to new movements that emphasize self-transcendence but put little stock in divine law or revelation. Orthodox believers are going to have to defend particular doctrines and particular biblical teachings. They’re going to have to defend the idea of a personal God, and explain why specific theologies are true guides for behavior day to day. I’m not qualified to take sides, believe me. I’m just trying to anticipate which way the debate is headed. We’re in the middle of a scientific revolution. It’s going to have big cultural effects.

"When green and orange fight, amber wins", 31 Jan 2008 15:57:43 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:37957BernadetteM23's statement "when green and orange fight, amber wins" has me wondering about how this clash of altitudes (in any or all quadrants)  is playing out in the current US presidential election cycle and what outcomes are possible.  Your thoughts...

Here's one of mine --

If those with anti-corporate green values make good on threats not to vote for a nominee whom they believe to be too friendly to corporations, a war hawk, family values candidate could win the general election.
Current global food problem, 30 Apr 2008 20:48:20 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:48580innerline1

I thought this article might spark some shadow awareness. Notice how finacial speculation is starving millions around the world. Its one of the last thing they can bubble. And how greens drive for alternative fuels was done without thinking it through. And is part of the problem, with food competing with bio-fuels.

Man-made crisis pushing 100m into poverty: WB

By Our Correspondent
WASHINGTON, April 29: The World Bank chief warned on Tuesday that 100 million people have already been pushed into poverty due to a man-made food crisis while as many as two billion are on the verge of disaster.

“This is not a natural disaster,” said Robert B. Zoellick, president of the World Bank. “Make no mistake; there is nothing natural about this. But for millions of people it is a disaster.”

He noted that hunger and malnutrition were already the underlying causes of death of over 3.5 million children every year, robbing the future potential of many millions more.

In Washington, a US government commission is investigating claims that big investors who buy large quantities for future trading are largely responsible for the current unprecedented hike in food prices across the world.

The use of corn and soyabean as bio-fuel also contributed to this crisis by moving farmers away from food to cash crops and by driving food prices beyond the reach of common people.

After an annual meeting in Washington earlier this month, the bank warned that the world is facing an unprecedented food crisis which may cause riots and wars if not checked.

“The next few weeks are critical for addressing the food crisis,” said Mr Zoellick on Tuesday. “For 2 billion people, high food prices are now a matter of daily struggle, sacrifice and for too many, even survival.”

Mr Zoellick, who issued the statement after attending a meeting of the UN System Chief Executives Board for Coordination in Berne, Switzerland, said the bank believes that already some 100 million people may have been pushed into poverty as a result of high prices over the last 2 years.

For the immediate crisis, the bank urged governments to fill the $500 million food gap identified by the UN World Food Programme.

The bank also launched an emergency management programme called the “new deal,” pledging to nearly double agricultural lending to Sub-Saharan Africa over the next year to $800 million to substantially increase crop productivity.

“Donors must act now to support the WFP’s call for some $755 million to meet emergency needs,” said Mr Zoellick.

He also warned donors to fulfil their pledges, noting that roughly $475 million have so far been pledged. “But pledges won’t feed hungry mouths,” he said. “Donors must put their money on the table, and give WFP maximum flexibility – with a minimum of earmarking – to target the most urgent needs.”

Mr Zoellick said that the proposed ‘new deal’ must embrace a short-, medium- and long-term response: support for safety nets such as school feeding, food for work, and conditional cash transfer programmes.

He also called for increased agricultural production; a better understanding of the impact of bio-fuels and action on the trade front to reduce “distorting subsidies,” and trade barriers.

“We are urging countries not to use export bans. These controls encourage hoarding, drive up prices and hurt the poorest people around the world who are struggling to feed themselves,” he said.

The international community, Mr Zoellick added needs to commit to working together to respond with policy initiatives, “so that this year’s crisis doesn’t become a generation’s fact of life.”

"Across the Universe", 02 Feb 2008 01:48:43 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:38097zneval4 thought this was a cool story that you all might find interesting and entertaining:

NASA's transmitting the Beatles song "Across the Universe" in to space to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the song's recording, 50th anniversary of the first US satellite, among other milestones. I don't know about you all, but the Beatles definitely rank at or near #1 on my list of creative song writers, love-spreaders, consciousness-expanders ever to have graced the planet. I share the lyrics to the song here, imagining the one ever-present Witness singing these words out, as the wars and destruction of the illusory world rage on, as people fight and feud over false distinctions and petty issues, spreading love with the beauty of the human voice/existence nevertheless..

"Words are flowing out like
endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Images of broken light which
dance before me like a million eyes
That call me on and on across the universe
Thoughts meander like a
restless wind inside a letter box
they tumble blindly as
they make their way across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Sounds of laughter shades of life
are ringing through my open ears
exciting and inviting me
Limitless undying love which
shines around me like a million suns
It calls me on and on across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Jai guru deva
Jai guru deva"

I get chills down my spine just thinking of this song.. I must go listen. Guru Deva was evidently a teacher of the Maharishi, but also, "Deva" refers more broadly to the Hindu term for God or Gods in general (distinct from Devi, the divine feminine force, the Mother). So "Jai Guru Deva Om" means loosly, "I give thanks/salutation to the Heavenly Teacher, Om." Beautiful stuff to be sending in to space... All peace and glory to the passed, John and George, and may the spirit of the Beatles live on in our hearts. Hopefully this song reaches any alien life-form before any of the other garbage we've been likely spewing into space...

Sheldrake Attacked, 03 Apr 2008 02:15:07 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:44810jikishin16

In a rather sad turn of events today, at the 10th annual International Conference on Science and Consciousness, here in Santa Fe, Rupert Sheldrake was stabbed in the leg by a conference attendee.

A first write-up on the incident, from the local paper, can be found

It seems that Sheldrake himself will fare fine. My concern now is for the reputation of the conference!


The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations, 14 Apr 2008 19:58:57 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:46420adastra8

This article does a really good job of explaining the hypocrisy involved in current anti-China demonstrations, and why they are counter-productive.  This is why I'm not going to be at the “peace-Tibet” rally in Sacramento on Wednesday.  Anyway, for what it's worth, this article is very in line with my current perspective on this stuff. - Arthur

The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations

by Floyd Rudmin

We hear that Tibetans suffer “demographic aggression” and “cultural genocide”. But we do not hear those terms applied to Spanish and French policies toward the Basque minority. We do not hear those terms applied to the US annexation of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1898. And Diego Garcia? In 1973, not so long ago, the UK forcibly deported the entire native Chagossian population from the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia. People were allowed one suitcase of clothing. Nothing else. Family pets were gassed, then cremated. Complete ethnic cleansing. Complete cultural destruction. Why? In order to build a big US air base. It has been used to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq, and soon maybe to bomb Iran and Pakistan. Diego Garcia, with nobody there but Brits and Americans, is also a perfect place for rendition, torture and other illegal actions.

When the Olympics come to London in 2012, the Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu will certainly lead the demonstrators protesting the “demographic aggression” and “cultural genocide” in Diego Garcia. The UN Secretary General, the President of France, the Chancellor of Germany, the new US President and the entire US Congress will certainly boycott the opening ceremonies.

The height of hypocrisy is this moral posturing about 100 dead in race riots in Lhasa, while the USA, UK and more than 40 nations in the Coalition of the Willing wage a war of aggression against Iraq. This is not “demographic aggression” but raw shock-and-awe aggression. A war crime. A war on civilians, including the intentional destruction of the water and sewage systems, and the electrical grid. More than one million Iraqis are now dead; five million made into refugees. The Western invaders may not be doing “cultural genocide” but they are doing cultural destruction on an immense scale, in the very cradle of Western Civilization. Why is the news filled with demonstrators about Tibet but not about Iraq?

And as everyone knows but few dare say, “demographic aggression” and “cultural genocide” can be applied most accurately to Israel’s settlement policies and systematic destruction of Palestinian communities. On this, the Dalai Lama seems silent. Demonstrators don’t wave flags for bulldozed homes, destroyed orchards, or dead Palestinian children.

The Chinese Context

The Chinese government is responsible for the well-being and security of one-fourth of humanity. Race riots and rebellion cannot be tolerated, not even when done by Buddhist monks.

Chinese Civilization was already old when the Egyptians began building pyramids. But the last 200 years have not gone well, what with two Opium Wars forcing China to import drugs, and Europeans seizing coastal ports as a step to complete colonial control, then the Boxer Rebellion, the collapse of the Manchu Dynasty, civil war, a brutal invasion and occupation by Japan, more civil war, then Communist consolidation and transformation of society, then Mao’s Cultural Revolution. Such events caused tens of millions of people to die. Thus, China’s recent history has good reasons why social order is a higher priority than individual rights. Race riots and rebellion cannot be tolerated.

Considering this context, China’s treatment of its minorities has been exemplary compared to what the Western world has done to its minorities. After thousands of years of Chinese dominance, there still are more than 50 minorities in China. After a few hundred years of European dominance in North and South America, the original minority cultures have been exterminated, damaged, or diminished.

Chinese currency carries five languages: Chinese, Mongolian, Tibetan, Uigur, and Zhuang. In comparison, Canadian currency carries English and French, but no Cree or Inuktitut. If the USA were as considerate of ethnic minorities as is China, then the greenback would be written in English, Spanish, Cherokee and Hawaiian.

In China, ethnic minorities begin their primary schooling in their own language, in a school administered by one of their own community. Chinese language instruction is not introduced until age 10 or later. This is in sharp contrast to a history of coerced linguistic assimilation in most Western nations. The Australian government recently apologized to the Aboriginal minority for taking children from their families, forcing them to speak English, beating them if they spoke their mother tongue. China has no need to make such apology to Tibetans or to other minorities.

China’s one-child-policy seems oppressive to Westerners, but it has not applied to minorities, only to the Han Chinese. Tibetans can have as many children as they choose. If Han people have more than one child, they are punished.

There is a similar preference given to minorities when it comes to admission to universities. For example, Tibetan students enter China’s elite Peking University with lower exam scores than Han Chinese students.

China is not a perfect nation, but on matters of minority rights, it has been better than most Western nations. And China achieved this in the historical context of restoring itself and recovering from 200 years of continual crisis and foreign invasion.

Historical Claims

National boundaries are not natural. They all arise from history, and all history is disputable. Arguments and evidence can always be found to challenge a boundary. China has long claimed Tibet as part of its territory, though that has been hard to enforce during the past 200 years. The Dalai Lama does not dispute China’s claim to Tibet. The recent race riots in Tibet and the anti-Olympics demonstrations will not cause China to shrink itself and abandon part of its territory. Rioters and demonstrators know that.

Foreign governments promoting Tibet separatism and demonstrators demanding Tibet independence should look closer to home. Canadians can campaign for Québec libre. Americans can support separatists in Puerto Rico, Vermont, Texas, California, Hawaii, Guam, and Alaska. Brits can work for a free Wales, and Scotland for the Scots. French can help free Tahitians, New Caledonians, Corsicans, and the Basques. Spaniards can also back the Basques, or the Catalonians. Italians can help Sicilian separatists or the Northern League. Danes can free the Faeroe Islands. Poles can back Cashubians. Japanese can help Okinawan separatists, and Filipinos can help the Moros. Thai can promote Patanni independence; Indonesians can promote Acehnese independence. New Zealanders can leave the islands to the Maori; Australians can vacate Papua. Sri Lankans can help Tamil separatists; Indians can help Sikh separatists.

Nearly every nation has a separatist movement of some kind. There is no need to go to Tibet, to the top of the world, to promote ethnic separatism. China is not promoting separatism in other nations and does not appreciate other nations promoting separatism in China. The people most oppressed, most needing a nation of their own, are the Palestinians. There is a worthy project to promote and to demonstrate about.

Danger of Demonstrations

These demonstrations do not serve Tibetans, but rather use Tibetans for ulterior motives. Many Tibetans, therefore, oppose these demonstrations. Many Chinese remember their history and see the riots in Lhasa and subsequent demonstrations as another attempt by foreign powers to dismember and weaken China. There is grave danger that Chinese might come to fear Tibetans as traitors, resulting in wide spread anti-Tibetan feelings in China.

Fear that an ethnic minority serves foreign forces caused Canada, during World War 1, to imprison its Ukranian minority in concentration camps. For similar reasons, the Ottomans deported their Armenian minority and killed more than a million in death marches. The German Nazis saw the Jewish minority as traitors who caused defeat in World War 1; hence deportations in the 1930s and death camps in the 1940s. During World War 2, both Canada and the USA feared that their Japanese immigrant minorities were traitorous and deported them to concentration camps. Indonesians fearing their Chinese minority, deported 100,000 in 1959 and killed thousands more in 1965. Israel similarly fears its Arab minority, resulting in deportations and oppression.

Hopefully, the Chinese government and the Chinese people will see Tibetans as victims of foreign powers rather than agents of foreign powers. However, if China reacts like other nations have in history and starts systematic severe repression of Tibetans, then today’s demonstrators should remember their role in causing that to happen.


The demonstrators now disparaging China serve only to distract themselves and others from seeing and correcting the current failings of their own governments. If the demonstrators will take a moment to listen, they will hear the silence of their own hypocrisy.

The consequences of these demonstrations are 1) China will stiffen its resolve to find foreign influences inciting Tibetans to riot, and 2) the governments of the USA, UK, France and other Western nations will have less domestic criticism for a few weeks. That is all. These demonstrations can come to no good end.

Floyd Rudmin can be contacted by">email.

Integral Europe, 01 Mar 2008 18:08:48 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:40589pelleB8 everyone,

It's been some time since you last saw me here, but today I have some exciting news to share with you all! During the past few months, as some of you know, I've been working hard on an integral project together with Peter and Ewan.

Today we are ready to tell you more about the project, which is called Integral Europe.

Integral Europe will be a natural meeting place for integrally inspired activities in Europe, something that is much needed given the current absence of a platform for communicating. The goal is to provide an online community site that is explicitly geared towards inspiring and facilitating offline activities and offline community.

A key feature will be a searchable calendar of integral activities in Europe, where you can find out what is going on in your own region or country (if you live in Europe!), as well as upload the events and activities you host yourself. Another key feature will be searchable yellow pages of individuals and groups in Europe who are integrally informed.

Logging onto the site will enable people in Europe to find a salon and a practice group where they live, or make the connections necessary to start a brand new group. You will also be able to see what cool integral activities are already happening around Europe, whether it's a workshop, a conference, a salon meeting or a lecture. Individuals, groups and businesses alike will be able to list themselves on the site, which will bring Europe together in a whole new way.

There will be more stuff as well of course, and we'll keep on developing the project over time, both online and offline - to facilitate the continued evolution of integral activities and community in Europe.

So if you live in Europe, or if you're simply interested in what's happening in the integral worldspace as a whole, then go to and sign up for the mailing list! The first newsletter will be sent out within a couple of weeks, and the site itself will be launched later this Spring. Yes, that is within a few short months :)

Stay tuned for more info...

Alan Watts Theatre, 08 Feb 2008 01:20:10 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:38612adastra2 Parker and Matt Stone (of South Park fame) have created animated clips of Alan Watts speeches:

There are half a dozen clips, and they are very entertaining.  :)

(I found out about this in the latest issue of What Is Enlightenment? magazine.)

spiral out,
Hallelujah, 24 Mar 2008 15:11:07 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:42397witz780

Hallelujah! from the 'Messiah' Oratorio

by G. F. Händel

Happy Easter, everyone! Gift [G]

Global Warming.....A slight return, 14 Oct 2006 12:52:16 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:11084Vortex6

Cosmic Rays The Biggest Culprit In Global Warming

Global warming will not be reduced much by efforts to limit carbon dioxide emission into the atmosphere, say two scientists.

Dr. Nir Shaviv, an astrophysicist from the Racah Institute of Physics of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and Prof. Jan Veiser a geochemist at the University of Ottawa in Canada, say that temperature variations are due more to cosmic forces than to the actions of man.

In a recent article published in GSA Today, the journal of the Geographic Society of America, Shaviv and Veiser tell of their studies illustrating a correlation between past cosmic ray flux - the high-energy particles reaching us from stellar explosions - and long-term climate variability, as recorded by oxygen isotopes trapped in rocks formed by ancient marine fossils. The level of cosmic ray activity reaching the earth and its atmosphere was reconstructed using another isotopic record in meteorites.

The study showed that peak periods of cosmic rays reaching the earth over the past 550 million years coincided with lower global temperatures, apparently due to the way that the cosmic rays promote low-level cloud formation, hence blocking out the sun. No correlation was obtained, however, with the changing amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

The conclusion of the two scientists is that celestial processes seem to be the dominant influence on climate change, and that increased carbon dioxide release, while certainly not beneficial, is only secondary to those forces which are beyond our control.

In practical terms, says Dr. Shaviv, "The operative significance of our research is that a significant reduction of the release of greenhouse gases will not significantly lower the global temperature, since only about a third of the warming over the past century should be attributed to man." Thus, say the scientists, the Kyoto accord of 1997 - which was aimed at tackling the global warming phenomenon through limitations on carbon dioxide - is not the panacea some thought it would be.

Taking the long-range view, Dr. Shaviv and Prof. Veiser believe that fluctuations in cosmic ray emissions account for about 75 percent of climate variation throughout the millennia. They acknowledge that this position pits them against prevailing scientific opinion, which still places a heavy emphasis on the negative role of greenhouse gases.
Bill Harris and Genpo Roshi in L.A., 06 Jan 2008 17:41:03 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:35793markevans4 tried a few clever titles like, Big Sync or Holo Mind, but decided on clarity instead.  A friend and I are going to the event.  Is anyone else here going?  It's Feb 9 and 10.

Politics and shadow work, 31 Jan 2008 20:46:00 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:37983BernadetteM6 a follower of a number of political blogs (mostly of the "progressive" variety), I'm wondering how much of the vehemence in statements for and against candidates that appears in the comments to postings at those blogs is due to people projecting their shadows (dark and light varieties) onto candidates. 

For example, I'm floored at how often the word "hate" is used to describe commenters' feelings about Hillary (and Bill) Clinton by people who describe themselves as liberals and progressives.   Just what   characteristics are we least likely to own as part of ourselves and as a result project onto the candidates?
miracles, crystals, e.t. abductions, psi, and such, 18 Dec 2007 19:19:12 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:34208MomentsGap4 memebers !

My question is about something I am not sure how the Integral Approach covers...

I am referring to phenomena\occasions like: the energy of crystal gemstones, orbs of light phenomena, crop circles (with curious changes in plant themselves), trance-channelings of entities, out-of-body experinces, near-death experinces,  clairvoyance and other psi phenomena, saints doing miracles, the crystal skulls etc...

Basically, these are the 'options' the integral model offers for these, as I understand:

1. They are 'correct' and 'true' if one is in a certain mythic stage of development and believes in them. However, for an integral person, they seem simply like myths- not more.
2. They are expressions of mass hallucinations and pathologies (i.e. UFO abdctions) or other illusions. i.e. they are a pathology.
3. They act on a basis of 'placebo effect'- they express the cultural starvation for depth and mystery for people who live in a flatland world- so, the unconscious of the culture 'creates' these phenomena to 'toy' around with.

How 'real' are they? I just played with my crystal stones collection, and it seems so intuitive that they posses energy, and 'information'.. yet I haven't seen a serious integral approach on this.

I feel quite ignorant yet fascinated with these world mysteries. I wonder how do you understand them? and how would they fit in a sober integral model? references welcome... !

G :-)

Near UVA Ultra Clear Super Mind, 22 Jan 2008 16:11:10 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:37206markevans1 we have a vocabulary problem here that is getting worse?  Warning: this is a bit of a rant.  I hate the arbitrary colors.  What I hate even more is A SECOND COLOR SCHEME!  I have to teach this stuff to people and this nutty, ever changing vocabulary hurts our credibility.  I'll  have (in the same room), people who've read older books and have no idea what the colors are, people who've read A Theory of Everything and know what Blue and Yellow are, and then I suggest to everyone that they read Integral Vision (some have read this) or Integral Spirituality and listen to IN where they read and hear Amber and Teal.  This not helpful.  And now we get "Clear Light" and "Ultra-Violet?"

Then there is the problem of relative prefixes like post-conventional and post-modern, which are not the same thing.  People who majored in philosophy know those terms, but what about trying to make it easier for the rest of those who'd like to understand Integral?  Continuing the problem is an Overmind and then a Supermind.  What's next, a Super Over Mind?  I like Aurobindo as much as anyone else (these are his terms), but that doesn't make them good vocabulary at this point in time.

The solution is descriptive terms like the ones Clare Graves coined.  
Kin Sprits
Truth Force
Strive Drive
Sensitive Self

For higher levels: (these are not Graves')
Nature/Culture Mystic
Deity Mystic

'See?  No pre's, post's, superlatives or arbitrary labels.  Just plain words from the lexicon.

In the world of chemistry, you don't get to make up your own names, even if it's a new compound you've developed.  The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemists has a standard naming procedure to insure that all chemical names are consistent and intelligible across languages and decades (this doesn't apply to the marketing of them).

We need a committee (or Czar) of nomenclature to put an end to this madness!!!!
Nondual Celebirthion!, 31 Jan 2007 01:41:27 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:18877mcenter4 personal holiday is not one you take-off for personal reasons. Rather, it is an occasion for ritual, celebratory ritual if the occasion so benevolently occasions us to do. There is often cause for celebration in the form of tears and hugging, even chanting. For one question stands before us,
"What cause have we for celebration today?" Everyday has a special occasion, and today is the most specialist of all. Today is the day divined to be the stars set in all their primordial glory. It is the first day in a new step forward and one of the final days of an ignorant era. After much contemplation, I have decided that today is like a cliff with one sure side and one faultless epiphany. You could jump, but it sure would be easier to step. For today you might catch your breath, rather than stumble along. You might surpass boredom with a careful sigh, and touch the spirit that is indigenous to us all. Of all Possibilities..., and yet, it is today. It is today that you choose that one thing over another and become what was eternally meant for you. All the Signs are There, and their taking you in the right direction.

Mahatma Gandhi fought the majority on poverty, racism, classism, and sexism until its dying hours 59 years ago on this day, when he was assassinated. Although the Indians celebrate Gandhi's life on 2 October, it is still fitting that we reconcile his life to this momentous time and the life-long goals that were accomplished simply through a natively ritualistic life. He is a great hero of mine, and if I could offer you one thing it would be his "Prayers," a collection of sayings, speeches, and notes.

Today is also the birthday of the brightest and most beautiful soul on Earth. A Love that could transform the world. If you are born on this day or somewhere close to it, you are an Aquarius, a most lucky sign to be. You are hot and moist, rather than dry and cold (earth). You are the Air sign, and you are a thinker, you belong to the greatest Age of them all. Not only that, but you happen to have broken every chart, and humiliated the known universe by arriving on such an auspicious date. Reality crumbles just because of your make-up. My heart cracks every-time I meet a girl like you, even my Grandma, whom I've never met. Nevertheless, I am ultimately humbled in your presence, because I know what we have is real. I'm pulled like a string between two fingers or like a weight bearing down on my soul. North, South, East, West...nothing matters as long as I'm leaning your way. My Queen of Clubs, my lucky lady. But it is the value of circumstance that happens to bring us together. It is that, and so much more. It seems I've had to communicate with you along mythic lines until recently. Though, you shouldn't worry, because you defy even my delusions of you. And while it may not always be for the best, I plan on celebrating your death with as much gusto as I celebrate your life.

Sincerely and much Love,

Rest in Peace Bobby Fischer, 19 Jan 2008 18:44:41 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:36935charlesb2

Rest in Peace Bobby Fischer.


His death this week brought to mind the amazing parallels between two tortured lives, between that of the first American chess genius and the second; between that of Paul Morphy and Robert J. (Bobby) Fischer.


Both were chess prodigies, Morphy rose meteorically from ante-bellum provincial obscurity of his birth in New Orleans in 1837 to worldwide fame; a remarkable feat in a time when Americans were thought of as little better than savage barbarians.


Raised with notions of courtliness and Southern chivalry he was little prepared for the machinations and subterfuges at the very top of the European chess world. Having no peer in the States, he sailed abroad besting many of the finest players in Europe. But the top prize eluded him, Edwin Staunton, considered to be the best player in Britain –if not the world- made repeated excuses as to why a match between him and Morphy could not be obtained.


Alas Morphy’s line of emotional development was not equal to that of his cognitive development as he suffered from this rebuff, and in spite of his national acclaim he went into a period of long psychological decline. A chief biography of his life is titled, The Pride and Sorrow of Chess. And the first American chess genius passed from the scene in 1884.


But our story continues, on March 9, 1943, Bobby Fischer was born and the parallels between the first American chess genius and the second began to unfold. Bobby was meteoric too. At age 20 he was already US champion, when i played against him as but one in 54 in a simultaneous exhibition at the Edgewater Beach Hotel in Chicago; Fischer won 49 games (including mine), drawing four, and losing only one. It was an amazing performance. The exhibition went on for hours, near the end when i finally resigned, i was exhausted and he was as fresh as a daisy.


In a struggle that was more often political than of chess merit a match for the world championship was finally arranged in 1972. This is where Fischer's unbalanced mental and emotional development caused him to do something unprecedented; forfeit a game during the match with Boris Spassky, in which Fisher nonetheless prevailed.


Often at odds with any sort of authority, Fischer refused to defend his title of world champion on any terms other than his own. He settled into the life of a transient recluse only to emerge years later during the war in the former Yugoslavia for a rematch with Boris Spassky. The government of the United States took the position that the proposed chess match was in violation of an embargo against combatant states. Fischer in fiery mode denounced this notion, and at a press conference defiantly spat on the injunctive notice that if he proceeded he would be subject to penalty. He played the match; the government indicted him, threatening confiscation of the prizes, a whopping fine, and a number of years in jail. Bobby became an exile, a stranger in a strange land, much in the same way that Paul Morphy was disaffected from his native New Orleans because he refused to be party to the succession of the South from the Union, and spent much of the civil war abroad.


The parallels are so marked, that i consider them to be highly suggestive of a link between these two that transcends time. It seems very likely that Bobby Fischer was the reincarnation of Paul Morphy. And that the lives of these two geniuses speak volumes of how the development of the cognitive line is necessary but not sufficient to a balanced life.


Bobby Fischer, Paul Morphy, rest in peace.





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Taking perspectives as Line development : article, 14 Jan 2008 17:38:57 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:36503MomentsGap1 ScienceDaily (p.s. not sure to what altitude this article belongs to- but I enjoy it anyway- it shows the intense interc-connectedness between LL, LR and UR)...
Lightning [li]

Americans Trail Chinese In Understanding Another Person's Perspective

ScienceDaily (Jul. 15, 2007) — People from Western cultures such as the United States are particularly challenged in their ability to understand someone else's point of view because they are part of a culture that encourages individualism, new research at the University of Chicago shows.

In contrast, Chinese, who live in a society that encourages a collectivist attitude among its members, are much more adept at determining another person's perspective, according to a new study.

One of the consequences of Americans' and other Westerners' problems of seeing things from another person's point of view is faltering communication, said Boaz Keysar, Professor in Psychology at the University of Chicago.

"Many actions and words have multiple meanings. In order to sort out what a person really means, we need to gain some perspective on what he or she might be thinking and, Americans for example, who don't have that skill very well developed, probably tend to make more errors in understanding what another person means," Keysar said.

Keysar is co-author with University graduate student Shali Wu of "The Effect of Culture on Perspective Taking," which discusses their research and is published in the current issue of the journal Psychological Science.

Although studies of children have shown that the ability a person to appreciate another person's perspective is universal, not all societies encourage their members to develop the skill as they grow up.

"Members of these two cultures seem to have a fundamentally different focus in social situations," the authors wrote of Chinese and Americans.

"Members of collectivist cultures tend to be interdependent and to have self-concepts defined in terms of relationships and social obligations," they said. "In contrast, members of individualist cultures tend to strive for independence and have self-concepts defined in terms of their own aspirations and achievements."

In order to study this cultural difference in interpersonal communications, the team devised a game that tested how quickly and naturally people from the two groups were able to access another person's perspective.

They chose two groups of University of Chicago students: one consisting of 20 people from China who grew up speaking Mandarin, and another group including 20 non-Asian Americans who were all native English speakers.

The researchers tested a hypothesis that suggested interdependence would make people focus on others and away from themselves. They did that by having people from the same cultural group pair up and work together to move objects around in a grid of squares placed between them.

In the game, one person, the "director," would tell the other person, the "subject," where the objects should be moved. Over some of the squares, a piece of cardboard blocked the view of the director, so the subject could clearly tell what objects the director could not see. In some cases there were two similar objects, one blocked from the director's view and one visible to both people playing the game.

The Chinese subjects almost immediately focused on the objects the director could see and moved the correct objects. When Americans were asked to move an object and there were two similar objects on the grid, they paused and often had to work to figure out which object the director could not see before moving the correct object. Taking into account the other person's perspective was more work for the Americans, who spent on average about twice as much time completing the moves than did the Chinese.

Even more startling for the researchers was the frequency with which many of the Americans ignored the fact that the director could not see all the objects.

"Despite the obvious simplicity of the task, the majority of American subjects (65 percent) failed to consider the director's pespective at least once during the experiment," by asking the director which object he or she meant or by moving an object the director could not see, Keysar said. In contrast, only one Chinese subject seemed confused by the directions.

"Apparently, the interdependence that pervades Chinese culture has its effect on members of the culture over time, taking advantage of the human ability to distinguish between the mind of the self and that of the other, and developing this ability to allow Chinese to unreflectively interpret the actions of another person from his or her perspective," the authors wrote.

Americans do not lose this ability, but years of culturalization based values of independence do not promote the development of mental tools needed to take into account another person's point of view, they said.

Adapted from materials provided by University of Chicago.

Integral Life European Launch Party, 30 Dec 2007 02:29:23 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:35165evansridge12're beginning to think about the possibility of a 2008 Integral Life launch party in Europe.  I'd be interested in hearing what city our members would recommend and be excited about as a host city ...

Robb Smith

Support Needed for Stephen and Ondrea Levine, 09 Jan 2008 18:22:12 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:36053tamgoddess2

Support for Stephen & Ondrea Levine

An Open Letter from Jack Kornfield, Ram Dass, and Sharon Salzberg

Dear Friends,

We are writing to ask your support for two beloved friends of ours, Stephen and Ondrea Levine. They are currently facing significant difficulty. After a life-time of giving, they are now at a time to receive from those of us whose lives have been touched by their presence and teaching.

Their greatest needs are financial. Ondrea has Leukemia and the costs of her insurance and treatment have used up their savings. Stephen's health is not good either, and he is too frail to travel or teach. When we heard about this, we felt moved to contribute to a fund set up for them, and to encourage others to do the same.

Stephen and Ondrea have been among our generation's most important teachers, demonstrating and encouraging others to embrace the power of love and generosity. For three years, they ran a 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week free phone line for those dying or in need of support. When the phone bills got too high, they sold their house to keep the project going. For decades they regularly corresponded with thousands people who were seeking spiritual guidance, giving freely to those in need, many of whom were sick or in the final years of their life.

The circle has now come around, allowing us the opportunity to give to these two life-long givers. We hope to raise several hundred thousand dollars in small and large donations to help them through this time.

Caring for friends and teachers is an essential part of any spiritual life. As we age, spiritual friends are more important than ever. Stephen and Ondrea have been dear spiritual friends to us and to thousands of others through their books, workshops, and correspondence.

If you are one of these people and are moved to give, below are three ways to donate to the Levine Fund at Bread for the Journey. Bread for the Journey informs us that donations are tax deductible.

With gratitude and love, Jack Kornfield, Ram Dass, and Sharon Salzberg

Mail: Send to: Bread for the Journey, 267 Miller Ave., Mill Valley, California 94941. In the letter, please enclose a note indicating that your gift is for the Stephen and Ondrea Levine Fund and in the note section of your check write "Levine Fund." In honor of the immeasurable gifts Stephen and Ondrea have given to the family of the earth, Bread for the Journey has generously offered to manage the fund with 100% of your donation going to the Levine Fund.

Online: click here and designate the donation to the Levine Fund:;

Phone: call 415-383-4600 with a credit card number.

For questions and other means of giving, contact

* Please feel free to post this letter on blogs or forward it to individuals or groups you know who may wish to hear news of Stephen and Ondrea.


NOTE: also feel free to use this thread to post material by or about Stephen and Ondrea Levine.

2012 Futher of Mankind, 05 May 2007 19:58:50 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:22336maximilianZ29 A absolute must , if haven´t seen it you don´t know what you are in
Integral community wake up to Ron Paul for President, 29 Jul 2007 23:29:40 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:26561innerline29

I am posting this to inform the integral community of Ron Paul, a candidate for president you might not have looked at or heard of. His level of expression is high enough to have real dialog which has not been around in politics for a long time.  So it is eye opening in itself and I encourage you to watch his videos on youtube. Since there really is not much I can say, until you see what is possible from this man. This could be a good development for Integral in the collective.


Google Inc. interviewing Ron Paul :


What you think?