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Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/32498.aspxMon, 26 Nov 2007 04:01:24 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:32498intrepid1100http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/32498.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=32498Hi
I did Holosync for the first three months or so, got lots of promotional material from them. I kinda felt hyped, and sad that I might miss something great by dropping it. But my meditation wasn't better with it though there was certainly some entraining going on, something. My meditation might have been less intense.

The effect of the intense promo is to create a dependency, whether it works or not; you're waiting for "them" to do it to you. Then you have to manage that craving.

Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/31782.aspxMon, 12 Nov 2007 20:19:50 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:31782Dunkerly0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/31782.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=31782

I don't know if holosync is helping - been using it for about 5 weeks - but I know I have made significant progress since I started meditating about two years ago. Don't know whether it's ken's books - I read almost all of them at least twice. I going to continue with holosync through at least levels 1 and 2. I've had no experiences that I would call mystical but my therapist sees a lot of progress. Reading other books have helped with insight especially those by cheri huber and lama surya das.

Could somebody tell me where I copy the list of smileys?

Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/31781.aspxMon, 12 Nov 2007 20:19:45 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:31781Dunkerly0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/31781.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=31781

I don't know if holosync is helping - been using it for about 5 weeks - but I know I have made significant progress since I started meditating about two years ago. Don't know whether it's ken's books - I read almost all of them at least twice. I going to continue with holosync through at least levels 1 and 2. I've had no experiences that I would call mystical but my therapist sees a lot of progress. Reading other books have helped with insight especially those by cheri huber and lama surya das.

Could somebody tell me where I copy the list of smileys?

Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30365.aspxSat, 20 Oct 2007 16:54:39 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30365MomentsGap0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30365.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30365
MomentsGap:
I have not tried Holosync, however there is a highly effective brainwave entrainment software I use.
    The good thing about it is that it is extremely versatile, with many sessions targeting specific brainwaves for specific tasks (i.e. helping with insomnia, going into delta states, alpha-theta "creativity" session, helping with ADD etc.).
    The minus is that it takes a while [a few months I'd say] to sort out which sessions work for you and what effect they have on you.
It is so  versatile they even have Holosync-graded sessions to emulate holosync at fraction of cost [please note I have absolutely no connections with the company; I am just a user of the software].

It's called Neuro-Programmer and here is a link with a demo.
http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/index.php

Here is a list to a thread from the user's forum, discussing Holosync's pro's and con's mainly from a UR perspective:

Transparent Corp. HoloSync Discussion Summary

Hope this helps.

love
g



Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30273.aspxFri, 19 Oct 2007 08:03:10 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30273kendoji0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30273.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30273'Brain damage' is not really a good term, as it implies physical damage.  Especially with LSD, the fact that you're literally taking micrograms makes it one of the least toxic drugs you can possibly take.  However, most of my close friends who got very into psychedelics did experience some sort of psychosis.  Very often these episodes were temporary, but I have seen cases of people's personalities permanently changing, and at least one case of long-term instability and psychotic tendencies.  I think this is the kind of thing referred to by 'brain damage' above. 
Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30198.aspxThu, 18 Oct 2007 01:21:10 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30198livingegg0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30198.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30198In response to mark:

>> "Most importantly, you don't need to trip very many times to get all the benifits you'll ever get. After that, you'll just be courting brain damage."

Well - to the best of my knowledge there is zero physical evidence to suggest that psychadelics such as psilocybin and LSD have every caused brain damage in a human being, or in any other animal. As opposed to holosync, which has damaged my ears - twice - and which the only explanation I got from a rep at holosync was just to ignore the loud/painful ringing in my ears because it was normal.

Cheers. ;)
Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30153.aspxWed, 17 Oct 2007 09:16:03 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30153MomentsGap0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30153.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30153MarkII,
if you were refering to my post, then yes, you can export every session into a .wav (and then turn it into an .mp3) file.

g
Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30149.aspxWed, 17 Oct 2007 08:38:10 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30149vulgan0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30149.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30149

living egg, the growth x100 / hell slide drama......once these energies and perceptial "distortions" emerge it feels up to our own ability to navigate a way into a mastered harmony, and to balance the use of our choices in poison.

one mushroom pill today, the first time since dec / jan.   i wonder if dosage can be too small..... enough to distort but not enough to .....push one through the last barriers.

thanks mark.   "only good things" happening never happened, there was almost always the nightmarish element of my own shadow creeping out, but it was over all..... enjoyable?   the nightmare felt necessary, all in the process.

Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30117.aspxTue, 16 Oct 2007 22:41:15 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30117MarkII0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30117.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30117

Am I correct in understanding that you would be able to make your own CDs with the basic model or would you have to buy their professional or commercial model?

 

Mark

Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30116.aspxTue, 16 Oct 2007 22:13:40 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30116MomentsGap0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30116.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30116Someone mentioned the lack of customizing Holosync. I think it's a good point. I have not tried Holosync, however there is a highly effective brainwave entrainment software I use.
    The good thing about it is that it is extremely versatile, with many sessions targeting specific brainwaves for specific tasks (i.e. helping with insomnia, going into delta states, alpha-theta "creativity" session, helping with ADD etc.).
    The minus is that it takes a while [a few months I'd say] to sort out which sessions work for you and what effect they have on you.
It is so  versatile they even have Holosync-graded sessions to emulate holosync at fraction of cost [please note I have absolutely no connections with the company; I am just a user of the software].

It's called Neuro-Programmer and here is a link with a demo.
http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/index.php

Here is a list to a thread from the user's forum, discussing Holosync's pro's and con's mainly from a UR perspective:

Transparent Corp. HoloSync Discussion Summary

Hope this helps.

love
g



Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30080.aspxTue, 16 Oct 2007 06:21:25 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30080livingegg0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30080.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30080Vulgan. Drugs? I am a big fan of psychadelics. I believe that wreckless abuse and over-use of psychadelics have accelerated my path of growth 1000x. That also lead me down a 5-year hellish detour into nervous breakdown due to extreme oversensitization of my nervous system. I like to do things to the extreme.

Just remember the old poison-peoples' axiom - The difference between medicine and poison, is dosage.
Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30064.aspxMon, 15 Oct 2007 23:30:19 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30064charlesb0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30064.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30064

Hi Don,

 

Yes i tried Holosync, and it's not quite accurate to say that it had no effect whatsoever, i did after all hear something, but as far as listening had any effect on altering any state of consciousness in me, sadly the effect was nil.

 

And no, i did not approach Holosync about my lack of success; and having gone well past the year requirement for a possible refund, it never occurred to me to contact them. This was, after all, an experiment that i decided to conduct on my own, no one asked me to do so, and as i claim to be an adult i accept full responsibility for my decision.

 

I have no opinion about its possible effect on a Zen Master; and must rely on my own inner sense to test the effectiveness of any technique purported to boost consciousness. It is said that the Witness is the final barrier between subject and object; the transcending of which is non-duality. My actual experience of the last 30 years is that i walk around in a state of more or less continual witnessing; and if need be can call it up at will; so by that standard it qualifies as an actual stage of development. However my forays into non-duality have been few and transitory, clear signs of state development. I mention this only to illustrate that i am not completely ignorant of such things, which means i have at least some limited capacity of understanding them if and when they are experienced.

 

The main reason i decided on the experiment in the first place was that i was looking for some technique or process that i could happily and confidently pass on to others, one that could play a significant role in their own unfoldment. I know what has worked for me and i can teach much of what i know, but it seems unlikely that anyone would have an interest in the strange and unique path that has characterized my life.

 

Warmly,

 

Charles

88W18'28" 41N58'02" 

 

Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30050.aspxMon, 15 Oct 2007 17:42:04 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30050donwingate0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30050.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30050
charlesb:

Hi Mark,

 

In addition to your two excellent suggestions and before anyone invests in this expensive technology it would be useful to know if Holosync still adheres to its one-size-fits-all policy.

 

I put no little amount of time and money in testing it, with no positive results; the best face i can put on this outcome is that perhaps the beginning levels i could afford were not capable of helping me evolve. Maybe if their program had been designed to include offerings that are specific to the current stage/structure altitude of a purchaser i might now be able to recommend it too, instead of just being under-whelmed by the Holosync experience.

 

Warmly,

 

Charles

88W18'28" 41N58'02"

 

Hi Charles,

I'm curious, did you try it and notice no effect at all? Or did you feel an effect but not something you considered helpful? It sounds like you just didn't feel anything with the beginning levels and just kept purchasing the next higher levels hoping to feel the effect. Did you talk to Holosync support about it? I have found them to be very responsive and willing to answer any question. Of course, if you don't like their answer, there is not much to say about that. It would be interesting to know what they said to you if you did talk with them about it.

I am not an expert but I don't think there is necessarily a correlation between a person's current level of development and the level of holosync that will be effective. That is to say, I believe that Zen master taking up Holosync for the first time would start at the first level just the same as anyone else, though this would be an interesting question to ask Holosync support directly. It may be that you're nervous system is just naturally resistant to the effects of holosync. Like some people are resistant to the effects of pot, for instance. Nothing is for everyone, and maybe Holosync just isn't for you.

Personally, I noticed a dramatic effect with the first level - Awakening Prolog - and notice anew an increased effect each time I move to a new level, something like increasing the dosage of an ethnogen, but without the weirdness and woo-woo factor I get from those kinds of substances. In fact, the effect has been so intense at times I have really had to wonder if it was really good for me. But always, after a few days of intensity I "pull through" so to speak and feel stronger than before. Bill Harris states unequivocally that it is 100% safe, but the skeptic in me does wonder at times whether there might be some hidden cost down the line. Still, the skeptic in me wonders that about everything, and you can't stop living because it might eventually kill you :-)

Take Care,

Don.

Re: Holy Shit! I-I Endorses Holosync!http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30043.aspxMon, 15 Oct 2007 15:47:53 GMTee28e699-b6ce-41f9-9b68-f4b3d2b14a5b:30043markevans0http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30043.aspxhttp://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=5&PostID=30043Dear Vulgan,
You asked about drugs. From your picture, I'm guessing you're young and I'm going to write this accordingly.

Be cautious. I know full well that lots of people use psychadellics and only good things happen. That was my experience, and I was cautious. I did end up in the emergency room once getting my stomach pumped, but no lasting problems. Google "harm reduction" for tips on how to do drugs "safer." Note that I do not use the term "safely." There is no such thing.

Most importantly, you don't need to trip very many times to get all the benifits you'll ever get. After that, you'll just be courting brain damage.