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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W

So if I start posting hardcore pornography should it not be deleted?

If I start posting ads for businesses should they not be deleted?

If I start swearing repeatedly and call people names should I not be reprimanded?

These are direct questions that need to be answered if you are claiming 'no censorship'.


Best wishes,

Pelle

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I am talking about Helene, for whom, you want to bannish to the Seventh Circle. I believe I-I members are here for the higher self or calling. And, to pay even the basic membership package to belong to I-I will cull those of the ilk you speak.

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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W

Hi JW,

 

Rather than sue, or call names, i’ll just take this opportunity to ask you about shadow work; and add the observation that outbursts of strong feelings, sometimes amounting to rants are signs that ‘shadow’ is at work.

 

As you rightly claim this is a place where ‘higher calling’ or self-development is honored, and where doing shadow work is clearly included; it is not easy, but there is no better cyber-place known to me than right here on this forum.

 

Alas, my guess is that even to contemplate such a thing for you would seem like a plunge into freezing waters; but i am open to being proven wrong.

 

Warmly,

 

Charles as Lamont Cranston

88W18'28" 41N58'02"  

 

 

Yes, this is a shadow. Am I allowed to use it? As other astute teachers say, your ego and shadow are the sum parts of the whole. I am happy for my ego and shadow. Are you not?

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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W

 

Hi JW,

 

Let’s go very s-l-o-w-y here, employing the best of your caution. One approach is to parse your post; say something like this:

 

Yes, this is a shadow. Great, an acknowledgement that shadow exists is a tremendous step forward; as typically shadow elements are hidden, a fact that tends to increase their power.  

 

…your ego and shadow are the sum parts of the whole. Not quite; ego and shadow are parts of the whole; but not the sum parts, a phrase that implies totality; i.e. there is a totality that transcends both ego, and shadow, and much more.  

 

I am happy for my ego and shadow.  Which “I” is it that speaks here? Is it the ‘I” of ego and shadow or is it the “I” of your totality?

 

Am I allowed to use it? Of course, but it is not a question of permission but wisdom.

 

Are you not? This is a diversion, when ego feels threatened, when shadow faces light it resists; one of its tricks is to divert attention to the other.

 

As other astute teachers say. This is another diversion, it’s called sucking up.

 

Now, after this splash of cold water, if you are still with me, here are some general comments that may prove useful. Shadow elements are generally un-incorporated parts of the whole; the term usually used is disassociated. By analogy we humans go through life as if we were driving a car (or a school bus); if we have dissociated elements in our psyche its okay if they come along for the ride, but letting them steer or control the operations of our vehicle is simply not wise. To do so would be akin to having some kid drive the school bus, obviously this would be a high risk situation, and in some sense an abdication of responsibility.

 

Further more it is also worth noting that you were born with both Mars and Mercury rising, giving you certain pre-dispositions; i.e., when ego/shadow is in charge it seems that you are anger, especially the angry retort. When the ‘totality’ is in charge you are Great Courage and will effectively be able to speak the truth to power.

 

But the latter cannot fully function, unless it alone is in the driver’s seat. So in a very real sense what working on one’s self is all about is corralling the lesser elements that are part of our heritage, assigning them seats on the bus, and allowing them to speak only if they first have permission of the driver, who alone is responsible for the well being of all.

 

WELCOME ABOARD!

 

Warmly,

 

Charles

88W18'28" 41N58'02"

Charles,

Thanks for the great breakdown (pun intended). Like all humans, and I include myself (ha), we try to dissassociate the ego/shadow, especially during meditative states and let totality of Self take over and be in control. Most days, hours, minutes, the totality of my being is in control. But, it gets the hiccups when other egos cross my path or highway in your analogy. For instance, I have been in situations where someone cuts me off, or follows too closely behind in a vehicle. I let them have their space. When I do this, as you say, the total part of me is in control. I do not let that part speak, and it stays seated on the bus. I cannot adhere, however, to the anger part (born with Mars and Mercury rising). Anger is not part of my disposition. It might have been in an earlier state or stage of life, but it is suppressed. Wisdom and not Great Courage belongs in this scenario. There is a language problem with the signs. I would let you sit in the front seat of my bus anytime. Just don't talk while I am driving (ha).

I am happy for my ego/shadow. That is the "I" in totality.

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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W

Hi JW,

 

Here is your quote:

 

“Anger is not part of my disposition. It might have been in an earlier state or stage of life, but it is suppressed.”

 

Yikes, what a contradiction! How is it possible for a thing not to be part of one’s disposition while it is simultaneously being suppressed?

 

Suppressed does not mean integrated.

 

Warmly,

 

Charles

88W18'28" 41N58'02"

What would the word then be? If not suppressed would it be then transcended and included? I am trying hard for translation as that is part of my mission. If I have learned one thing at I-I, it is all a matter of translating. Being a wordsmith has been part of my disposition since I was probably 10, so 52 years or more.

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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W

Hi JW,

 

“What would the word then be? If not suppressed would it be then transcended and included? I am trying hard for translation as that is part of my mission. If I have learned one thing at I-I, it is all a matter of translating.”

 

I quite agree that translation is part of your ‘mission’ as you call it; ‘mission’ is a bit too evangelical for my taste; instead i see it as an aspect of individual dharma; as an aspect of individual temperament, might be a better fit. 

 

But there are ‘good’ translations and ‘bad’ translations; describing your predisposition to anger –especially the ‘angry retort’ as ‘suppressed’ works for me as accurate. And as part of shadow, you may indulge yourself with the illusion that this trait has been transcended; but that is contrary to the evidence i have witnessed here on this forum.

 

Or put another way; the word is not the thing. Describing something away simply does not work in the long run. To do so is akin to sweeping dirt under the carpet, sooner or later, one trips over it.

 

It’s my view that you came into this world with a very deep and committed sense to ‘spiritualize’ your life; and you probably have no higher aim. But, and it’s a very big but, your capacity to see just exactly what that means comes to you only through a glass darkly. Separate self is the chief culprit in this distortion; but here’s a clue, it tends to get everything just about backwards.

 

Let me explain: When i was working on this problem, my experience was something like this. I felt like i was poking my head up and out through a deep cloud cover and into a world of great clarity; but it was a world without a point of reference. My sense of direction was spinning like a compass needle; eventually it slowed down, steadying along an axis. Hmmm, i thought, now i’ve got it! Only to find, much to my chagrin, that i could easily get a given perception 100% backwards! This put me in a funk, until i realized that when i found myself 100% wrong all i had to do was an about face, and yikes i was 100% right! All it took to right my compass was to be calm, willing, able to ‘eat some humbling pie’, and acknowledge my mistake.

 

Warmly,

 

Charles

88W18'28" 41N58'02"   

Words have many meanings, all of which are derived from context; knowing this i deliberately chose to define what i mean (for the sake of clarity) when using the term belief. You, of course, are free to assign any meaning to any term as you see fit; this does not mean you have a similar freedom to assign meanings for me.

What a contradiction you are. You assign meanings to me, but do not allow me to assign meanings for you. You are a hoot, Charles. I had an uncle like you once. He is dead now. He always had an answer for everything. I am so honored you have taken time to dissect me using metaphysical means. Metaphysics is dead, Charles. KW said that himself in his book on Integral Spirituality. You've got to look through other dark glasses to dissect me or maybe rose-colored glasses. Your astrological natal birth chart is backward, that's why you had this perception of me. I am so calm, people wonder if I am asleep most of the time. When a person is transformed it turns their world upside down. Maybe your world is turned upside down? What best describes me is Inner Nuances Foster Journeys (INFJ). But, then we are off the trail of this thread regarding web censorship. That's not anger, Charles. That did not come from anger. That came from the American Constitution, amendment I. "Congress shall make no law  respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." This was what my ancestors fought bravely for during the Revolution, and I carry that same torch. And, my ancestors across the Great Pond against the Crown of England. I carry that same torch. My oath is with The Fifth Estate. Thanks and honor for you. I see the Divine in everyone, and even you. I outgrew astrology back in the mid-90's for a higher calling. I-I is a 5013C non-profit organization under the auspcices of the Internal Revenue Service, and is such an American non-profit business. For those who do not particularly like the American way and live in America, there are other places to live. I am proud to be an American and a Scots-American. And, one who believes in God for all mankind. P.S. National Tartan Day is April 6 each year where we honor the Scots-Americans for their contribution to the Constitution and other contributions to American society from the beginning until now. Allow me to be ethnocentric for a moment, thanks.

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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W

Hi JW,

 

This shadow business is tricky; but look at how it actually works; you compare me to your uncle, okay no problem, and then of all the qualities he no doubt possessed (i.e. an answer man, etc.) the one that you found important enough to mention was that he is dead.

 

Get it? Some part of you wishes i was dead too!

 

Warmly,

 

Charles

88W18'28" 41N58'02"

 

 

Get real! Maybe you are dead spiritually. I have no idea? Only you can decide. I take you none too seriously, however. If I did take you seriously, I would be in a whole heap of trouble...I still honor your divine.

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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W

Ok guys, let's all take ten deep breaths here.

We're not here to dissect each other or fight with each other.

Both of you can do so much better than this.


with love,

Pelle

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http://pelle.zaadz.com/

We're playing shadow games is all...

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JC
33° 13' N 87° 37' W