Yes! I loved this dialog - and actually, I've been waiting for a
five years to hear another talk between Ken and Jim Garrison. I loved the two dialogs he did in 2024 ("
The State of the World in the Wake of Iraq" and "
There Isn't Any Integral Political Out There") and I found his book America As Empire: Global Leader or Rogue Power fascinating, moving, and inspiring. (He also has some great stuff online at WIE).
So I was delighted to see that he had this new dialog on IN, and I've listened to it a couple of times. I agree that there's a lot of interesting data and analysis here.
I wrote a very rough transcript of a tiny part of this dialog in which Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are mentioned:
~~~
KW:
…we've seen Hillary Clinton, when somebody said “Oh, you're talking
about Wilber, that integral view, she said “yes, yes, yes!”
…
JG: …Barack Obama, I think he's intuiting his way into integral
politics, and I think the big distinction between him and Hillary, for
example, [is] I think she remains very firmly rooted in modernist
politics.
KW: yeah, she's…keeping her foot
intentionally in orange modernist -
JG: the delusion of Hillary right now is that she thinks that what you
have to do in American politics is go for the center, basically be
Republican light, have a strong military policy - look at her record,
she's been as Hawkish on Iraq and Iran as president Bush (except very
very recently). [Ken said “right” three times while Garrison was
describing Hillary's “delusion.”] I think somebody at some point - and
it may not be Barack, in this election - but at some point somebody is
going to jump into the future, into the political north, because
they'll realize that if they speak to those values that are beyond
orange and green, so to say [?] the rudiments of integral, I think
they're going to discover that not only will they
get the
cultural creatives but there's been a study that's been recently done
that's indicating that this new millennium generation, 15-25, has
almost the same politics as the cultural creatives, so we're in one of
these extraordinary aberrations of history…
~~~
This matches my impressions as to Obama intuiting integral, and Hillary taking a wrong-headed approach that doesn't match the historical moment.
I highly recommend
Politics in the 21st Century. Part1. Flirting with Disaster.
spiral out,
Arthur
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