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  • Re: Integral community wake up to Ron Paul for President

    Thanks for the response monkmonk and for laying out the pre-post elements.&nbsp; You have saved me a lot time in researching this guy.&nbsp; I completely get the attraction to the anarchist crowd and their in-your-face tactics to his candidacy.&nbsp; Nothing integral about that.&nbsp;
    Posted to Nunc Fluens (Forum) by ravinathan on January 5, 2008
  • Re: The Teal Integral Revolution Begins With OBAMA!!

    Rocco:&nbsp; I would love to understand the thought process that you used to determine that Obama is Integral and teal.&nbsp; It's a question that I have been wrestling with and understanding your perspective would help me a great deal.&nbsp; My goal is to support the candidate who demonstrates the highest altitude.&nbsp; I have found it very ...
    Posted to Nunc Fluens (Forum) by ravinathan on January 5, 2008
  • Re: Myth of the Given and the Work of Byron Katie

    Pelle:&nbsp; I am not sure that your post adds to what has already been discussed in the thread.&nbsp; Also, my experience of the Work is that&nbsp;one does not ''let go of beliefs'' as you state.&nbsp;&nbsp;I do the enquiry and the belief let's go of me!&nbsp; In fact the 4 questions are a deconstruction of the belief.&nbsp; This is radically ...
    Posted to Embodied Practice (Forum) by ravinathan on July 29, 2007
  • Re: Myth of the Given and the Work of Byron Katie

    Dear Pattye:&nbsp; Thanks for your post.&nbsp; Actually, I did get a chance to ask Katie about the Myth of the Given and the Work.&nbsp; BTW, she goes by Katie although the published name is Byron Katie.&nbsp; I will summarize her response and hope that I do so faithfully: 1.&nbsp; The Work questions all Myths that we take to be Given.&nbsp; ...
    Posted to Embodied Practice (Forum) by ravinathan on July 29, 2007
  • Re: Myth of the Given and the Work of Byron Katie

    Don:&nbsp; I see a circular element in your reasoning.&nbsp; On the first part, you agree with the equivalence between the two methods as I have shown with the ''monster'' example.&nbsp; Then you go on to say that the 321 process is not subject to the myth of the given because it takes three perspectives - but that is exactly what the Work does ...
    Posted to Embodied Practice (Forum) by ravinathan on July 28, 2007
  • Re: Myth of the Given and the Work of Byron Katie

    There are a number of parallels between The Work of Byron Katie and the 3-2-1 process.&nbsp; If I take the scary thought that Ken uses as an example, The Monster wants to destroy me and do The Work on it, I get the following turnarounds that are as true or truer when compared to the original statement: The Monster does not want to destroy ...
    Posted to Embodied Practice (Forum) by ravinathan on July 28, 2007
  • Myth of the Given and the Work of Byron Katie

    In Appendix 3 to Integral Spirituality, Ken states that The Work of Byron Katie does not consider the Myth of the Given.&nbsp; The section below explains my understanding of the Myth of the Given as it relates to the Work.&nbsp; Being familiar with Kens books and as an avid practitioner of The Work of Byron Katie, I decided to enquire into some ...
    Posted to Embodied Practice (Forum) by ravinathan on July 26, 2007
  • Re: Elisabet Sahtouris and Stuart Davis March 12, 2007

    Blikewater: Personally, in a natural systems theoretical pissing match, I would put a Shaman over any western intellect (even Kens), and I am talking about a true Higher level Shaman, as I have met many so called 'shaman.'&nbsp; You have to be kidding.....!&nbsp; So your Shaman understands Schrodinger's wave equations, can solve partial ...
    Posted to The Frothy Edge (Forum) by ravinathan on March 16, 2007
  • Re: Elisabet Sahtouris and Stuart Davis March 12, 2007

    hudsobr: I suggested that Elisabet had something very important to add to I-I that it seemed to me Stuart missed. And it seems to me that most of I-I misses it. I see the pre-trans fallacy being used as a defense to hide a shadow element related to the second person relationship with God, what the Purple vMEME represents. And this prevents ...
    Posted to The Frothy Edge (Forum) by ravinathan on March 16, 2007
  • Re: Elisabet Sahtouris and Stuart Davis March 12, 2007

    For every person who may judge an Indian analogy as a pre-trans fallacy, there are unfortunately many more who embrace very pre-trans fallacy that comes along!&nbsp; I dont think this is a result of a shadow element but comes from a very good place the deep frustration and dismay that a compassionate, pluralistic person feels when faced with ...
    Posted to The Frothy Edge (Forum) by ravinathan on March 16, 2007
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