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Differentiating Quadrants vs. Quadrivia and why burn Burning Man?
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Differentiating Quadrants vs. Quadrivia and why burn Burning Man?
First
of all, the quadrants/quadrivia arise together. This is not a
singular item which can be flattened into one quadrant; all four are
happening simultaneously. The individual aspects of a holon can
be continuously divided into each of the four quadrants, while
artifacts, such as money, are viewed in quadrivic relation to each of
the four quadrants.
Quadrants vs. Quadrivia. A
holon contains all four quadrants. S/he has a personal
identity, a culture they interact with, bodies which fit into the UR
and how those bodies relate to each other, and to the world around
them in the LR. There is a faux pa in attempting to slam a
holon, which has all four of these vital components, into a singular
quadrant. Technically one quadrant can't exist without all of
the others, so this is one more negation to add to the
list.
Quadrivia: I love money as a perfect
example of quadrivia, but I would like you to attempt to grapple with
that yourself after I give you a more simplistic example (an example
used by Ken to explain quadrivia to me) of the Mona Lisa. This
painting has no consciousness in and of itself, all the conscious
effect it has upon the world comes from holons visiting and
participating with this artifact, and how they do so. An
individual holon visits the painting, and has their specific
experience with the masterpiece. (e.g. everyone in the room
feels the painting is looking individually at them) This
contains all four quadrants experiencing the painting in each zone as
quadrivia. To further the example of the Mona Lisa, a few years
later you run into another individual who has also visited the
painting. This synchronicity adds an additional LL component,
which is activated when they meet someone who has also seen the
artifact, but in a different time, at the same place, they have their
own unique relationship with the artifact. Throughout all of
this the painting, itself, has never made any direct action or
injunction.
What Ken extrapolated:
Quadrants tend to be flattened into the UL quadrant, while quadrivia,
because this is consciousness being viewed through a muse which has
no consciousness itself, like a dollar bill, tend to be classified
into the UR quadrant. Artifacts themselves, because the system
component is more visible without the interiority, tend to be
flattened into the LR quadrant. The LL quadrant serves any
community based needs. Each of these qualities arises in ALL
FOUR quadrants, or quadrivia. I find it ironic that II has
continued this common fallacy.
The second matter is that of
the levels scale. I know that the spectrum is a little new for
me too, but come on people, this isn't too far from SDi (and wow the
writer's are at the top of the scale again!). Ken came up with
Transcend and Include, the least you could do would be to remember
this simple rule. Are you really going to make the same fallacy
that I have seen SDi attendees make for the past 4 years? We
are rainbows. Drop the ego, please. Each of us endorse
different parts of our vMEME stack to varying degrees. Many 2nd
tierers get very confused when they run into another individual who
claims to be second tier, but endorses agentic instead of communal
(I'm communal), and thus the communal person can not conceive how
this self centered, political, agentic individual could possibly
understand the calm and serenity of second tier. We all endorse
each line to varying degrees. Focusing on the overall center of
gravity is a good way to make oneself feel good and ignore one's
shortcomings. This is how one can segue into the potency of
perspectives and lines, especially through the lens of integral
calculus.
IMHO - The first thing usually explained
about AQAL is the quadrants, and then we move right into levels.
People get attached to the inherent (even if nested) Levels
hierarchy. They want to be as high on the scale as possible.
One also imagines that they, of course, have found all that there is
to be found, so of course they are turquoise... There couldn't
be anything more left to learn, could there? I mean all you
have to do is meditate on a daily basis, right? Sorry guys but
Buddha said the "Middle Path" and he meant it. I have
seen too many people who are just as lost as any drug addict who
meditate on a daily basis. At least the drug addicts have the
status quo telling them they are dealing with shadow, meditators get
to fall in the trap of feeling justified at their complacency.
What
I see happening here is a fallacy which can be prevented by the
simple act of delivering AQAL differently. Instead of
explaining levels second, explain levels last. That way
people have already incorporated lines, states and types and can
bring that into their understanding of levels. When you only
have quadrants and levels to wrangle with, it is easy to put yourself
at the top; if you have to deal with all five moving parts of AQAL,
it is easier to not take the level thing so personally. I have
tried this several times, and it always leaves the listener without
that, "elitist" taste in their mouth. The levels scale
induces masculine competition. The ironic egocentric recurrence
of, "My altitude is bigger, higher, longer than your
altitude..." Come on guys, get some personal security
here. By diffusing the levels across all lines, states and
types, the ego gets distracted enough to absorb IOS when the
individual would have called it elitist with the traditional
delivery.
Now,
why on earth are you putting Burning Man at the "magenta"
altitude? This is the world's largest arts gathering!!!
The principles are based upon radical self reliance and Leave No
Trace methodologies. It is also in a desert where the ecology is as
big a factor as presentation. Your art has to be able to
survive 80+ mph dust storms and have no trace of the piece visible a
week after you put up your piece.
Where
does this judgment come from? Only a handful of I-I employees,
past and present, have ever visited the city. Issues with some
of these past employees is where all of II's issues with the burn
stem from. To communicate altitude and sum it up without involving anyone specifically,
the reasoning comes from the 2nd chakra, not the 7th. This
drama also occurred years ago (before IN). Burning Man is a
place where this year 40k people said they were "going home"
to Black Rock City. The majority of the population comes from
San Francisco. Do you really feel that only people at the magic
mythic level of consciousness got their sh*t together enough to
create this endless list of jaw dropping pictures?
I
also don't think one can grapple with burning an effigy of one's Self
till they do it. The Mystery schools of Burning Man are
revealed like all mystery schools: by being there and experiencing
the depth of an environment and teaching. I find Bardo
inbetween the flames. How many humans who have ever lived have
looked into the heart of a fire and asked why they are alive?
The few exceptions are almost exclusively from this and the last
century.
The final words from Ken W. to me as I left I-I
was, "I think burning man is doing great things, burn on!"
The appearance of BM at the magentic altitude tells me that the II
employees never actually checked with Ken, or the AQAL Kosher team on
this copy.
I don't think anyone can understand the
intricacies of a gifting economy until they have tangled with it a
few times. Money is the sea in which we swim on a daily basis, and
jumping out of this pond is nigh impossible without going to an
alternative economy like BRC provides. Anything which was
brought to Burning Man was made by a participant, in their free time,
to be given away or experienced at Burning Man. Everyone buys
or earns their ticket. There are no free rides (only gifted
ones). If you see some picture of a super crazy
flaming/glowing/flashing art installation, it got there because a
person bought a $200+ ticket, and figured out every logistic and
expense to make the art survives the environment and entertain
passers by, day and night. The only motivation to create their
art and to spend so much of their free time was because they wanted
to make this gift for the burn. On an environmental line,
Burning Man requires individuals to evolve their art projects to a
turquoise level of consciousness, or it will simply and literally
blow away.
Cool Gifts: Video on the nature of a gifting
economy, soap that smells great and has embedded designs for this
year. Pressed soap dispenser with the BM logo pressed into the
glass. Stickers of all varieties. Refrigerator magnets. A
billet aluminum belt buckle with the BM logo carved into it.
Printed and published books, and a library. 5 newspapers
published every day of the burn and at critical times throughout the
rest of the year. http://www.matrixmasters.com
has a free lecture series which they put on at the burn, and other
sponsored locations, every year. Google Earth created a special
addition to their software just for the burn which was updated every
day as the city grew. This special feature from Google made it
so we could navigate the city. This was a gift to the burners
who couldn't come to the city this year. Private funding for a
wireless internet cloud which covers the whole city via satellite.
I ask you, if this was at a magentic altitude, why does the event
receive these accolades? If your exposure to the burn was late
at night on E!, that’s your problem, not mine. Try Beyond
Blackrock instead. The people who created those magentic level
productions had charges pressed against them and have been asked
never to return to the city. Now all filming is registered.
Coolest
things I saw/did: Built a 30' radius 5v geodesic dome(www.desertdomes.com).
This housed Alex Grey's Chapel of Sacred Mirrors and 10'x20' prints
of his Sacred Mirrors (http://www.cosm.org/)
His Theologue painting is the placard for the Artery, which
designates where each piece of art is going (decided via gps months
before the event). Ken Wilber quotes in the bathrooms. A
hydraulically controlled propane powered flaming dragon w/ an egg
which hatched on Sunday night. Any participant could go up and
control the propane releases with a handy dandy control panel.
When you enter the burn, they have what I call a "second tier
speed bump." The gate grew posts signs every 15 feet as
you approach the city with inspiring quotes (usually people Ken
quotes from) which set the tenor of the theme for that year's burn.
If you are reading each of these posts, one will naturally crawl
along at around 10 mph, just slow enough to not kick up dust. I
made 300 rolls of sushi and ran around giving them away to loved ones
and strangers. I packed the world's largest kite away. This
year they also made a couple world records this year. One for the
most individuals blowing fire balls together at once, and another for
the longest Chinese dragon ever.
As one of the few
individuals actually certified in Leave No Trace (www.lnt.org),
and now 4th year BM participant, I can tell you, this is the most
complicated and complete cleanups for such a large gathering.
BM is light years ahead of any hippy festival I have gone to about
their trash control and treatment of the facilities; "If it
isn't from your body, don't put it in the potty." You are
responsible for the trash you create. There is no comparison to
the more well known Rainbow Family. Last week I had a friend's
birthday in the same woods as this years national rainbow gathering.
We had a permit for up to 75 people and a fire sculpture to keep us
warm (www.howhowhow.com). The rainbow family didn't even
provide porta potties nor get permits. They used the, "do
first, ask forgiveness later" approach. Egocentric
altitude at best. The BM organization has a 10 year long
permit from the BLM with onsite inspections and the BLM present at
every burn. (They make buckets of money from us btw)
I
put this here to tease and tantalize you with what Black Rock City
contains for any participant. If you go to the burn, the
altitude of the event will be your personal altitude. If you
are turquoise, you will walk around everywhere running into deep,
spiritual people who you continually learn from. You will be
attracted to similar art, lectures, classes, etc. If you are at
the magentic center of gravity, you can find a whole bunch of techno
and naked ladies/men and have the time of your life that way too.
You will experience exactly what you need to at the burn, the laws of
Open Space apply. This is not magic/mythic. This is
experiencing a way of living which is fundamentally different than
the main stream culture. As thus, is exceptionally difficult to
relate the profound nature of the experience to someone who doesn't
know any better, much less experienced something so profoundly
different.
Loving
Light -o-Jkare
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10-01-2006, 10:50 AM |
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Re: Differentiating Quadrants vs. Quadrivia and why burn Burning Man?
Hello Jkare, Congratulations on your first post on the Multiplex. And what a post! Certainly quite a lot to think about. Next time you might want to spread it over several posts. What caught my eye was your comments on Burning Man. How I wish I'd been able to attend. Some day, some day... Initially when I saw BM placed at magenta I was a bit surprised as well, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. It does indeed have several second tier characteristics. On the other hand, isn't it exactly a characteristic of a second tier consciousness to be able to include and appreciate facets of all stages? Although I've never been at BM in person, I get the impression that much of its appeal is a manifestation of a healthy form of magenta: - The tribal feeling of togetherness
- The almost magical atmosphere
- Rituals, not least the Burning itself
Of course not all magenta is healthy, not even at BM, and I'm sure you also have your fair share of stories about what you've seen in this regard. To conclude, my attempt at reconciling your perspective with the one presented at Holons News is to say that yes, Burning Man embodies second tier characteristics, yet it draws its magic from a healthy form of magenta. How does that sound to you?
Janne Asmala janne.asmala@gmail.com
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10-02-2006, 12:32 AM |
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Re: Differentiating Quadrants vs. Quadrivia and why burn Burning Man?
jkare: To communicate altitude and sum it up without involving anyone specifically,
the reasoning comes from the 2nd chakra, not the 7th.
this makes me curious ... do you have a reference for this knowledge to me? it certainly would add my personal & network involved repertoire, i sense. btw. in this context of 7? chakra's a) is it correct to say the 4th is the axis, the 4room engine, where the other 6 ones are 2room/way engines? b) apart from the lineair aapproach, which is in the numbers ... there is a kind of radial approach by the VOW resonating couples: 1&7 , 2 &6 , 3&5 , 4&4 ; can you copy? c) there is a notion, an awareness about the so called A440 standardized frequency ... this being 8 point higher than the natural one of A432. are you familiar with those facts? Anyhow, the idea seems to be that the A440 was once introduced to comfort statesman in order to influence the out of natural & creative order human citizen. so far ... looking out for I-I-dialogues CdG nb. as a matter of fact i am no member anymore - reason my state/statical boss sort of drYed me up and i am on a beige/purple interval surviving by burning up my skin to a pretty brunette .. in Holland Penn.. no ... holland/europe! so, i am practising (as many of you2/u2) the universal souldear without a gun but the mouth and (of-f-f-course) a website with some figures to be graphicalized to a graph as an image saying more that 1000 words ... ( i have an appointment with a judge - and am asking here for someone who is willing to exercise II & IONS & SDi and so on with the Dutch Stat of In(ter/tra/tro)dependency ) just as a way of living the pivital ages - to gather ;-)) ::*:: }}*{{ s'ace - hiding for the rest of us (peter - simon/rock/pan, alain, arjan@, vishnu, ken-neth & (why not) Valum Votan2 ... & watering the oceans by NooZ::meditating windmills in the Northsea ...
"Through the 28::7 T-T cosmogenesis of time, merge your mind into the ever-evolving higher conciousness of time! If there were not time, there would be no mind to become." - VV-Rinri-II
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Re: Differentiating Quadrants vs. Quadrivia and why burn Burning Man?
jkare: Now,
why on earth are you putting Burning Man at the "magenta"
altitude? This is the world's largest arts gathering!!!
I went to BM for the first time this year, and I was actually a bit surprised that it wasn't as second tier as I thought it would be. Of course, you can go to BM and experience it in a second tier way, in the sense that you are including healthy Magenta. The gifting economy is a good example -- second tier doesn't consider money or profit to be inherently bad, but a Magenta perspective does, because it really prevents a tribal community from forming. All things are held in common by the tribe in Magenta, and I see that as the spirit of the gifting economy. The most common type of spirituality at BM is definitely Magenta shamanism and visionary psychedelic drug use, which, like all 1st tier structures, frequently suffers from level absolutism -- they believe that their level is really the best or even the only valid structure. Ann Shulgin, for example, has said that part of the reason that spiritual traditions discourage drug use is because gurus would go out of business if people started using psychedelics on their own. And of course, attendees are strongly discouraged from bringing the outside world into BM. That said, I think the BM organization itself is probably second tier, because it seems like they are often in conflict with Magenta and Green absolutists. That by itself might be a good reason for integrally-aware people to attend -- just be prepared to be very, very inclusive of magenta if you do. I do think a number of attendees are or could be second tier, because the simple fact is that in our Orange/Green mainstream absolutist culture, family and community ties have really broken down. A reasonable point can be made that this is because Magenta has been excluded from our society. The problem is that they make this sensible observation, and then go immediately to level absolutism and we aren't allowed to even criticize unhealthy Magenta. From a level absolutist perspective, at least unhealthy Magenta is still Magenta, and we'll just put off fixing the unhealthy version until we've made Magenta the only worldview. I love the idea of an Integral theme camp though! With classes, workshops and guest speakers!
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10-23-2006, 4:24 PM |
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You are asking a very tricky question. Until we have some ways to measure in and out flows of subtle energies of the chakras, I feel this subject is purely conjecture. Though fun! It reminds me of the maxim, "The map is not the territory." Each of these depictions is a map, and we don't have a good way to indicate the territory yet. Each one of these answers is "right" in the appendix A fashion, but I don't know how to judge which interpretation is either more right or the most right.
First, I don't want to limit the number of interconnecting chakras. We have had 7 identified within the body; but I have heard mentions of 8th and higher chakras. I believe these would be nodal points which we can use with each other as specific types of mass conscious communication. (e.g. identify location or mood)
I have heard friends say they believe that all chakras are supposed to spin in a clockwise fashion. I have seen systems that said that each chakra changes rotation and that men start clockwise at the root and women start counterclockwise at the root. The second chakra would then spin counter clockwise for the men and clockwise for the women, on up each of our bodies. As a result when you put two bodies together, they line up like a zipper.
Traditionaly each of the chakras is displayed with having a specific number of lotus petals. Maybe this relates to the ins and outs that you speak of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petal_%28chakra%29
I have also seen a lot of alignments music theory, which you allude to. A440 I have always equated with guitar tuners, which use this tone to tune the A string. If this is different than a natural A (A432) then that is news to me. However if you look at chord music theory a number of interesting correlations start to fall out of both concepts. There are 7 scale degrees in a major scale. also 7 chakras. A traditional I chord would be made out of the root, 3rd and 5th scale degree. A chakric synopsis of this would be the root, Self and emoting. Then look at a major V chord or a V7 chord: 5th, 7th and 2nd scale degree. With this you start at the throat with emoting, add in mind, then some sexuality. Turn it into true love by adding the heart as the 7th note in the chord (for all you Jazz fans). With this you have just created the most powerful musical motion known, a I-V-I motion. This can be done on any major scale. I prefer to hold on to the relativity of "Do" rather than a specific frequency like 440 Hz.
If you want to investigate the properties of music on the mind (besides holosync which rocks!), I would reccomend researching modes. These are different types of scales (eg the Dorian mode goes from D to D following the white keys on the piano) and how the Mixolidian mode was banned from composition in ancient greece because of its effect on the masses.
As I titled this note, pick your purple (SDi). Each one of these magic/mythic interpretations is valid. None of these systems are either wrong or more insightful than any other; each has their own merit. I also don't feel as though attempting to draw this map is possible (at least any better than Alex Grey alread did). Both Alex's pictures and my own conjectures are ultimately a map, not the territory; thus I find it difficult to probe into the function of my chakras at such a high level of detail.
Thank you for commenting
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10-23-2006, 11:52 PM |
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I am using this forum as a bit of a
podium. A number of people in the boulder community have commented
to me on this thread, but none have put their words here. As a
result I am answering to everybody at the same time. My
understanding from what staff members have told me is that Ken
confirmed the copy on the site, and they asked if putting BM at
Magenta is appropriate, he said not quite but to do so. The only
reason I can rationalize that he did this is because he knew that I
would start this thread and make these conversations open, while
before these these monologues about the Integral Institute, the
Integral altitude of consciousness and Burning Man were written
solely to him. If this conversation is facilitated fully and openly,
then maybe the members of II would have the fortitude to make the
trip to the desert. I invite any and all of the local community to
comment on this thread.
MrTeaCup, I really
like your analysis of the situation. It is much easier to talk
about this subject with people who have learned both operating
systems, IOS and BURNOS. My core objection to II putting
Burning Man at the Magentic strata is the fact that no one who
decided to post that there have been to the event. I consider
this a IMP zone 2 fallacy. In my previous post I mentioned the
map not being the territory; in this same way I object because no one
who made the decision to put BM at the bottom of that scale has
actually smelled playa, eaten playa, inhaled playa, found playa in
your objects throughout the year you are away from that magical land
an cherished the smell each time. Realized that rain flies need
to be ductaped to the tent to keep the playa dust out. Walk out
in the open into a situation where you can only see the white of dust
around you, with perfectly flat ground. This is a great way to have
that “gross experience of oneness with nature.” That is
supposed to physically occur in natural settings, right? One will
absorb this dust to the point that you innovate to learn how to
prevent the dust from burning your feet and cracking your skin.
The land has a pH of 12-14. One burner I am friends with
created a wonderful gift of spray bottles filled with vinegar to
create a salt and neutralize the dust. In this small way she
used her experience to make many peoples' lives that much more
pleasant. It is common to start making a list about how you are
going to make the next year better three days after arriving.
In
this pattern the environment and ecology induce participants to
learn. I have learned how geodesic domes function and how they
distribute energy through the poles. I also learned how to
make art that is strong enough to withstand the winds and be
beautiful 24/7. I have also failed at each of these things.
I learned a lot of lessons when I've made art that could have worked
just fine in a gallery, but with the wind on the western slope of
Colorado's mountains, I shattered most of 8 sheets of fiberglass and
countless hours of work at our regional event. I also picked up
every shard.
This mechanism has, in my
experience, induced participants to continuously work on doing a
better job for the benefit of the community at whatever their role.
Through this community I have created and experienced countless
"Integral" situations. Possibly more than I have
experienced with the integral community. I have seen the most
amazing settings as a result of the burning man community.
Going up to Strawberry hotsprings in Steamboat and spending Friday
night spinning fire with my heart and brethren into the night, and
the next night have a killer party with a fire sculpture sparking off
into the mountain sky. The music was incredible too, but the
energetic core of the party comes from the trees which died to keep
us warm. Understanding that sacrifice is a small aspect of the
embrace of the bardo burning man events induce. I have burned much more than just the Man, I have burned Buddha, chalices, windmills with my fears inside, and a phoenix which we didn't get to burn due to burn bans.
Each of these events has created an
interconnecting history of a world wide community. Through the
events and happenings. This mechanism and history induce excellence.
Desire to have success within the community and earn respect because
people appreciate your contribution and tell you so.
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Get Gross, Stay Subtle, Be Causal
"Get Gross, Stay
Subtle, Be Causal" -Ryan Cone The burn is a peak state of
grossness. I usually have gray hair within 24 hours of arriving
from the dust. You have to manage your food, your
water/electrolyte intake, and be fashionable the entire time.
The physical environment is extremely stressful. This is the
epitome of a desert; 100+F during the day, close to freezing at
night. You need sunglasses for the day and night because the
dust doesn't stop because the sun went down. Combine this with
the art of packing and unpacking and keeping in the right clothing on
at the burn, or lack thereof, can be quite a challenge. Each
year the theme changes and with these changes comes a new wave of art
created for the event. Sometimes art is reused, but often the
popular pieces are improved from the previous year's design. It is
common to providing situations which fall into both the overall and
immediate theme. Yes this is purple, but another citizen
thought up the purple event that another participant is
experiencing. If this is some “trippy” el-wire/LED art
project, the participant who made that piece learned and soldered all
the wiring to facilitate this experience for you. Their learning to
do this is the behavior that induces second tier, not the reaping the
reward of the finished product of this work This is how I view, at a causal level,
the type of spiritual building BM does. Every amazing
experience at the burn is provided by another. To put it
another way, one person makes a piece of art, which is then witnessed
by participants at the festival. This person has at the
causally created these individuals' lives. By making said piece
of art, they have helped to create the I AMness of the participants.
This is how integral perspectives work, only on the playa there are
enough people you can actually create some of the more elusive
perspectival situations. This is very different than a concert
situation where the band, which is on stage, is the one shouldering
the majority of the experience making responsibility.
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I do
feel that there is healthy magenta at the burn, but that is not where
I feel the event finds its health. I think it is from beige or
something more along the IR range in the spectrum system.
The environment itself is what I think creates the health.
The first quote I remember from Ken
was, "I spend most of my days at beige." This quote
has been instrumental, especially at my travels in Black Rock City.
There is nothing quite like disappearing into a dust storm, then have
it pass only to find yourself surrounded by 50 people you couldn't
see a moment before. The other major beige component is the art
of packing and unpacking. Look at what we haul out there and
get back! Trash included. My first year I looked into the
distance one day and found http://www.templeofgravity.com/
watching this creation with a fire lit inside and each of these rocks
rocking back and forth was a site to Witness.
The fire that burns the man is begun as
the opening of the festival. Crimson Rose, the woman who lights the
man (and someone who IN should really interview) takes a spiral cut
mirror about 3' across and focuses the light from the sun to start
the fire for the week. The fire is tended by citizens for the
duration of the festival. This is where the event has picked its own
purple ritual, and utilizes this structure to create the subtle
energy for burn. I don't think it ever dawned on anyone that this
was the only way to do it. I-I has it's own way to center
participants and create subtle energy, I think both parties use the
same universal elements to create this energy, there is no absolute
methodology.
The puple and red elements seem obvious
to most, but I would like to mention the contained fury of
Thunderdome and the beautiful violence that is contained within.
Citizens can settle disputes at the Thunderdome in all the argument's
possible glory. The aggression is either open with fists flying
and both or all parties flying up and down off of the dome walls from
rubber harnesses strapped to the ceiling and a crowd seven people
deep cheering you on, hopefully of your loved ones, or the admission
that the fight isn't worth it. This is the pinnacle of
masculine compassion, the violence doesn't happen elsewhere. If
there is, rangers will intervene.
As for blue/amber. All levels of
police force are present because this is on BLM land. This
means county through federal officers are present and with night
vision. There is also a police force of citizens of the burn
called Rangers. These individuals help in both emergency
situations and regulating citizens by keeping them a safe distance
away from the nearest exploding/burning object. Most art
doesn't need that type of assistance, but when it does, they are
there. This is only a short list of the functions they proudly
serve. They both put in extra work and reap extra benefits
(private port-a-potties and hot showers!) for serving this function.
This is one specific role, there are a myriad of others. I am a
fire spinner, there are also installation artists, art car drivers,
bartenders, DJs, mad engineers and scientists, healers of all types
and varieties. These roles are how I view citizens have
naturally created healthy blue.
The orange comes in the performance and
presentation. The desire to make the absolute best experience
for your other possible. The desire to perform to one's peak at
the present and still do better next year. The desire to create that
sound that no one has heard, make the most amazing art car you could
possibly imagine, to learn the move that you just saw that stranger
perform. One of the hardest questions for the burn is, “what
do I want to give to other people?” How a person answers this tells
much about them. The green elements are myriad. I see this
vMEME coming into play through the gifting economy, and the desire to
help a fellow citizen out and give them what you have. The
green altitude is probably most poignant as you have everyone
gathered around the Man to Witness the burn. This is an event
where people will shout, "I love you" and "I am you"
and "good job!" into the night. I am using SDi
because of Grave's finding that if you have all first tier memes
healthy and flushed out, then the yellow functionality which is
created has 10x any of the first tier meme's efficiency. I see this
efficiency in the postmodern money of the gift economy getting unused
resources to unmet needs without money, nor need for trade/barter. I
believe that a person will be at an altitude with their unique
endorsements of the various altitudes, but that people tend to
represent a given vMEME at a given moment in public. A
sociological perspective if you will. I also read the
http://holons-news.com/altitudes.html
excerpt and become furious at the implications of this text.
There are many references to culture specifically, and I believe that
I have just demonstrated that each of the vMEMEs at BRC are active
and thriving. This therefore creates an integral atmosphere
because of this inherent health.
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Does this description make sense to you?
I
would like to quote the altitudes portion of the newsletter: In
Holons, we use Altitude as a measure of development in both culture
and consciousness. A simple way to explain it is to say that Altitude
indicates the degree of developmental unfolding of items such as
complexity, consciousness, and the number of perspectives one can
take. For example, in consciousness development as indicated below,
one goes from the capacity to take only a 1st-person
perspective, to also being able to take a 2nd-person
perspective, to also being able to take a 3rd-person
perspective, and so on. Thus, in this example, you can see that the
capacity for love increases (from being able to love only me, to
being able to love us, to being able to love all of us, to being able
to love all sentient beings....). For convenience, Altitude follows
the natural colors of the rainbow, so you'll often hear
us refer to degree of development or degree of consciousness or
degree of capacity to love, etc. by a particular color of the rainbow
(as you will see below).
The
occasions in Culture by Altitude are placed on the rainbow in terms
of the degree of complexity that they have. In order to communicate
effectively, you have to be able to hit the same degree of complexity
as the person or persons you’re speaking to. To not make an attempt
to adjust your speech to another sentient being is mean, a form of
subtle aggression. By learning to spot degree of complexity, you can
more effectively communicate and enhance mutual understanding.
If I understand this correctly,
you are saying that 40k Americans plus their international
counterparts do not understand how to create a culture which is above
the Magentic altitude and consciousness as you describe it above? I do not think that every person
at the event is second tier, but it is one hell of a meeting ground. The place has at least a green center of gravity.
Does I-I truly feel that all these people's capacity to love, as they
return every year to give their time and efforts away and pay for it
out of pocket, is truly at the Magentic altitude as described above?
Or is this the a boomeritis example of the writer's bias as the
“subtle form of aggression” mentioned? Because no one who put BM
in the newsletter has been to the burn, I feel that this is
absolutely the slight described. Are you really going to tell me
that a bunch of people from San Francisco out in the desert are not
full of Love? I believe that I have shown how each vMEME is healthy
and active. We could do it in the spectrum system with lines and
include Gebser's and Maslow's systems if I had more free time.
I hope have not failed to communicate
so completely that the only altitude of complexity II feels BM can
achieve is Magenta. I assert that the burn, because of these healthy
structures, is inherently second tier and a full spiral. Individuals
who come to the burn experience the event at the altitude they are
at and push their own memetic growth from one year to the next by
attempting to “do it right” each time and each time being a
partial success. Burning Man has picked its purple with purpose and
intention. Burning an effigy stores the symbology of the image and
releases it when it is burned, whether that is a human form, windmills
with your fears written inside, or Buddha; I have been able to put my
stock into these pieces of art, and watch my atachment float off into
the sky. This is how I personaly pick my purple. This an element
which gives the event it's power. The
rituals are centered in the present, not regarding past institutions,
but attempting to set good intentions for the future. The same thing
could be said for Big Mind.
As I write this I am attempting to
write about what potential could be found at the burn, the deep
structures. How the environment and ecology induce growth from an
experiential educational standpoint through the integral lens.
Taking a snapshot of the spiral at the burn. There are many
participants of the burn who are not second tier, but not all the
people in any situation are second tier. Right now we're hoping for
5% in the majority of the population. Part of my assertion with the
burn is that BRC contains a much higher percentage of second tier
individuals than 5%. I believe this is one channel where much of the
world's second tier community has decided to congregate. Not
everyone can work for I-I. The event is also only as good as its
constituents and this year it seems that more of the mainstream
decided to end up in our lake bed. This is a strong reason I have
advocated for I-I to go to the burn. Their contribution would be
invaluable by helping to raise the consciousness in the city just
that much more. There is a deep seated resistance to the idea. Many
staffers have confessed a personal desire to go, but until there is
some sort of public reprieve (and enough pay) it simply isn't
happening. I challenge them to survive in the desert for a week.
Until I-I creates Integral Naked
Live @ BM There are a
number of camps with good or highly amusing classes.
http://www.ascensiontribe.com/
http://www.heebeegeebeehealers.org/
and I've already mentioned what my camp from this year's recordings
http://www.matrixmasters.com/pn/BM-talks/BM2006PNschedule.html
I do think that the burn is a wonderful breeding ground for second
tier thought, and I hope to facilitate more second tier conversations
on the desert and at community events.
My suggestion of what to put in the
Magenta region of the newsletter is the Trailer Park Boys. I hope no
one thought this was an integral link... TV:
Canadian TV Show Trailer Park Boys I know Oli
didn't. It is, however, the most popular show in Canada. Each
season of the show begins with the main characters getting out of
prison and they go back into prison at the end of each season. This
show is hilarious, but utterly magic/mythic power based. It is also
a fictional comedy, not thousands of people's lives.
Loving Light -o-Jkare IT is TI me
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Re: Dreamingone and MrTeaCup
jkare: MrTeaCup, I really
like your analysis of the situation. It is much easier to talk
about this subject with people who have learned both operating
systems, IOS and BURNOS. My core objection to II putting
Burning Man at the Magentic strata is the fact that no one who
decided to post that there have been to the event. I consider
this a IMP zone 2 fallacy. In my previous post I mentioned the
map not being the territory; in this same way I object because no one
who made the decision to put BM at the bottom of that scale has
actually smelled playa, eaten playa, inhaled playa, found playa in
your objects throughout the year you are away from that magical land
an cherished the smell each time.
Thanks for reading what I wrote, jkare, and also for putting your heart and soul into those posts that you wrote. That passion really speaks to how BM makes up an integral part of your own Integral vision and how being a part of BRC transformed your consciousness. I would be saddened if you felt that anyone was trying to take that away from you by minimizing it or putting it at the "bottom" of the scale! Something so important should be given the respect it deserves. I think its important to remember that, for a second-tier consciousness, all kinds of experiences can inform a second-tier perspective, and just because Ken Wilber or I-I or anyone else decides that BM is Magenta doesn't mean you are wrong to think that its second tier, because, for you, it is second-tier. And when it comes down to your own experience, its your perspective that matters. I think that you are also completely right that other second-tier people can go to BM and experience something profound. The great thing about the zones is that a zone #2 LL observation can be completely valid, and a seemingly contradictory zone #1 UL experience can both be true. But one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of people go to BM, but not all of them have a second-tier experience -- they may have a very meaningful experience, even a profoundly gross, subtle, causal or even non-dual experience, but just that by itself is not enough to qualify as Integral. The great thing about BM, though, is that there are a lot of Green people who go there to get back in touch with Magenta, and sometimes they have profound experiences while there. That kind of experience can really help them get up to second-tier, and that's why I think its important for I-I to set up a Black Rock City branch.
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Re: Dreamingone and MrTeaCup
Thank you for hearing my frustration and honoring my perspective. This has been a salient issue for a number of years. The question that I hear you bringing up then is what qualifies as integral?
In W4 I would define it as a flourishing health in each aspect of AQAL, in the new system I would define it as having the structures to facilitate stage and structure growth and shadow work. One does this by having peak experiences which are then encorporated into one's stage.
To me, the Man burning is literally my Self burning, where I face my deepest fears and look into the eyes of every person who has ever wondered why they are alive as they looked into their own Fire. I believe that this is a pre-trans structure which is instrumental in informing human consciousness. Think about the commonality of fire. It is there for every important moment. Romanitic dinners, childood memories, the 4th of July is an incredible consciousness typology with eveyone watching the fireworks. How many people are Witnessing that emission of light at the same time? We've moved to a spectrum system, right? The thing is, Fire is full spectrum. It has a blackbody based on fuel, right? This would be the same thing as when we talk about how "we're all rainbows." Fire provides all these wavelengths, physically. Why wouldn't that be Integral and inform on all wavelengths?
I'm seriously looking for answers here because I am completely befuddled as to what it takes to *really* embrace integral consciousness.
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Re: Does this description make sense to you?
Thanks, Jkare Those thoughts certainly gave me another perspective of Burning Man. I'm not sure if your post was intended as a response to the question at the end of my post ("How does that sound to you?") but I thought I'd reply nevertheless. By no means did I intend to imply that the participants are incapable of building post-magenta (or even integral) culture, or that they fail or do not try to do so. Still, I find it plausible that both you and the Holons News are correct here. Why? Consider the following questions: - Where can I experience a strong, healthy form of magenta?
- Where can I experience a strong, healthy form of teal/turquoise?
It seems to me that the answer to both is Burning Man. Owing to the nature of an integral event/book/whatnot, it has many characteristics from many/all of the previous levels. Then the differences in the ranking of, say, Burning Man depend entirely on what we mean by placing it on a certain level. Just some possible ways to look at it: - What is the highest level represented by/at the event?
- What is the center of gravity of the participants/organizers/core group?
- On what level(s) are the characteristics that make this event really stand out?
...at which point we might ask ourselves, what good are these rankings anyway? Still, no matter what color we assign to Burning Man, it just climbed up a few ranks on my things to do before I die list.
Janne Asmala janne.asmala@gmail.com
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jkare: You are asking a very tricky question. Until we have some ways to measure in and out flows of subtle energies of the chakras, I feel this subject is purely conjecture. Though fun! It reminds me of the maxim, "The map is not the territory."
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I have seen systems that said that each chakra changes rotation and that men start clockwise at the root and women start counterclockwise at the root. The second chakra would then spin counter clockwise for the men and clockwise for the women, on up each of our bodies. As a result when you put two bodies together, they line up like a zipper.
reading this contribution i thought it could be of II convenience to link you up to http://www.nadabramah.tk/ which organ-eyes-ez our spirals up and downward & vic versa ...
just finger the notes or planets ... here
and donot forget to focus ... connectively
oh and Jkare your IT resonates to the pi sign where TI mirrors it ;-)
"Through the 28::7 T-T cosmogenesis of time, merge your mind into the ever-evolving higher conciousness of time! If there were not time, there would be no mind to become." - VV-Rinri-II
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hey all, helen here from gab-board below - first time poster here , and if yous' must know i only pock me' nose here now and again to look-read some.
this different direction chakra spin for man and woman thing ? never heard of it ... i may check out the www-site .tk / but for now just want to say 'how inriguing is that?'.
i haven't any idea if my share-scriblling - about , 'my heart chakra acted weird when....' experience ... oh many moons ago , or even longer - when i was still a reiki student - during one class / practice , my teacher decided to pendulum-scan my chakras, has anything to do with the above 'different systems claim the chakras in men and women rotate in diff. direction , that's why when they are together they zip-up' ---or not, but!...
"look at it! there it goes again! it's changing directions in mid-spin!" .. ('twos the heart chakra only) i recal being quite flaked out (relaxed) and didn't even care to look...others in room gathered to see it. hmm? what does this make me? both and or borg?
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